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As a current tesla owner I couldn't have said it better.

There have been multiple instances over the years where my car would make completely inappropriate and dangerous decisions (like slamming on the brakes on the interstate or in a parking lot for no reason) and when I ask Tesla for more information about the incident they'll flat our lie and say it never happened or that the car is or is not capable of what I'm claiming. It's lies and gaslighting all the way down even to specific repairs they do (claiming they fix something when they actually do no such thing).

At this point due to Tesla corporate's untrustworthy behavior I believe Teslas are a risk to drivers and pedestrians alike and will take every opportunity to make this known as a warning to prospective buyers.

Tesla, never again.

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Tesla, who also created an internal team with the sole purpose to cancel service appointments and to thwart range complaints... I don't believe anything they have to say.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-07-27/tesla-rang...

And they only needed that internal team to gaslight customers into believing it's normal for lithium batteries to just suck consistently and range estimates are almost always wrong because they use an over-optimistic formula to estimate range INSTEAD of using the industry standard, which is to estimate future range based on remaining fuel/energy and your average economy over the past ten minutes or so, often scaled down a touch to guarantee that the estimate hits zero before you run out of gas/battery

They chose this route because claiming they get an extra 40ish miles per charge was more important to them than giving their customers accurate range estimation for the life of the car.

Yup. On paper you'd almost have to be an idiot to pick something other than a tesla however the reality of its performance doesn't match what they claim.

I'm in the market for another car and I periodically compare something to a tesla and it's "Better", but after owning a tesla I know what "Better" actually means.

Tesla is very good at gaming the EPA's rating system. In testing by Edmunds[0], every single Tesla has underperformed its range estimates in real-world conditions. Meanwhile, 52 of 53 non-Teslas have outperformed their EPA estimates, often by incredible amounts (20% for the BMW iX xDrive50, 59% for the Porsche Taycan, 36% for the Mini Cooper SE).

0. https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons...

It made me think about this video where a person tests whether the car detects a small child that is very fast crossing the road.

The answer from Tesla: "It's all lies! It is a competitor!", without addressing the main concern.

> There have been multiple instances over the years where my car would make completely inappropriate and dangerous decisions

Dumb question, but is this with the FSD on or off?

Not a dumb question. My car slightly predates FSD. The behavioral issues were a result of:

- Enhanced Autopilot $5000 option that I can't get a refund for - Emergency auto-braking (has to be manually disabled for each trip)

I commented because the lack of ethics of this company still apply regardless of the specific tech.

> Emergency auto-braking (has to be manually disabled for each trip)

Wow, what a nightmare!

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