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Comment by cookiengineer | Hacker News Reader

Two years ago, all Toyota plants were stopped due to a cyber attack. Toyota itself wasn't the target, but one of its suppliers got hit.

It was a belt manufacturer in Ukraine, whose cyber incident also affected VW, CARIAD, Audi, EvoBus, BMW and others.

Can't name more for obvious reasons, but more information can be googled easily.

NotPetya and 2014 changed how I see the world now. Everything is hackable, given the right chain of trust and dependency.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota...

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A manufacturer in Ukraine? I wonder which hackers from which country would have incentives to do that in 2014.

I know, right? Rumors say it must have been a nation with incentives to conquer.

Jokes aside, I think that cyber warfare is the worst case scenario in terms of military efficiency, as it causes collateral civilian damage across the globe and its effects cannot be contained inside any borders.

And Toyota is a prime example of that. They ain't got nothing to do with the war, and were affected by it a bunch of times already.

You think the effects would've been more localized if the manufacturer were bombed instead? Collateral damage affected civilians because the target was civilian, not because of the method of attack.

> as it causes collateral civilian damage across the globe and its effects cannot be contained inside any borders.

Again it does sound like a modus operandi of a particular country... so many coincidences

Maersk was hit much harder than Toyota, and arguably with much larger global consequences.

On the contrary, look at Stuxnet: Infected well upwards of 200,000 computers, but only had any real adverse affect on 1: a Siemens Industrial controller controlling Iran's nuclear centrifuges. That's the kind of precision strike that would historically required covert operatives at immense risk.

Isn't CARIAD the software wing of VW? Why do they need seat belt?

There's a thing called "corporate VPN" and the way it works is that due to IP rights they share people working on projects, but each of them has a bunch of laptops for external corporations.

If VW and CARIAD work on a project, the guy at VW has a laptop from CARIAD inside the VW network; and vice versa.

Most of them even don't have Citrix VMs because they are hopelessly too slow to work with.

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