Hacker News Reader

Comment by nevi-me | Hacker News Reader

It'd be useful to know what the end goal is for ThePhd, like what would be a satisfactory outcome for them?

What happened to them was hurtful, I understand and sympathise with that. However when one steps back and reads their responses, coupled to an extent with their writing (of course someone else would reach a diff conclusion), they appear to be an aggressive and maybe even vindictive character.

You can't really quit the way you did, and then still dangle things like [0]. People who utter such things out can portray an "I'll get you" attitude.

Then when someone responds and you're unhappy with their response, you agress and call them a mtherfcker [1].

Some might consider it to be too late, however some form of mediation might still be necessary.

[0] https://cohost.org/ThePhD/post/2720152-mn#comment-fdd4ee8d-9...

[1] https://pony.social/@thephd/111005208985561162

View on HN

You're saying he's not allowed to give Rust another shot and then leave Rust again once yet more bullshit is thrown his way from prominent members of the Rust community? Why not?

Is your problem with it that he decided to use Rust for that project or that he decided to move away from Rust for that project?

He (Jean Heyd) doesn't intend to give Rust another shot. He's done with Rust. Apparently.

My parent comment seems to be complaining that ThePHD did give Rust another shot (by picking it as the language for his next project) but then reconsidered in light of this.

I'm wondering what my parent comment thinks is so wrong about that (the "you can't really quit the way you did, and then dangle things like [0]" comment).

His comments so far have been never touching Rust. So, that's strange.

Anyway, he should pick language on technical qualities. That way he can avoid drama.

What do you mean? nevi-me's comment linked to this: https://cohost.org/ThePhD/post/2720152-mn#comment-fdd4ee8d-9.... That's, like, the core thing in my disagreement with nevi-me. It would've helped if you read nevi-me's comment before you decided to join the discussion.

I don't understand why you believe you're in a position to say what anyone "should" use as criteria for picking a language. If a language's leadership and most prominent community members were mistreating me and lying about me for half a year I might want to avoid that language too.

I don't have time to read everything everyone wrote everywhere. And I think it's probably bad for me anyway - becoming terminally online is not a goal to aspire to.

I missed it was pointing to specific comment and not the link to article. And his previous statements on Rust gave me impression he's forever done with it. Mea culpa.

There's things a reasonable and mature person doesn't dangle knowing that it's unfruitful.

I'll give you an example of my impression of their comment. You ask your child to clean their room when you leave for work. When you come back, you find them having not cleaned it.

In retaliation, you say "I had spoken to the baker to make you your favourite cake for this weekend, now I'm going to call them and ask them to no longer make it".

The cake is "part of the public domain" of whatever thing they were working on, because if they were working on a private codebase nobody would care if they wrote it in D or E or G.

Read what you may of it. To deal with emotionally manipulative people in our lives, we've learnt to identify cues like this one. There's a reason why when angry the best advice is to bite one's tongue.

Okay. Say you're in a situation where you have publicly talked about doing a soon-to-be-public project in Rust. Then, something happens and you no longer want to use Rust. What do you do? Keep it secret that you have reconsidered your choice of language? Why?

Honestly, the only emotionally manipulative thing I see here is you. You're trying to make something huge out of the simple statement of "this is making me not want to use Rust for the project I was gonna use Rust for". Someone choosing a different programming language is not a Big Deal.

Yes, it is definitely best to throw your tantrum internally.

The change of language is going to be revealed once the project goes public though. What then? What are you supposed to answer when people start asking why you didn't use the language you said you'd use?

This is so incredibly psychotic, you'd have to walk on eggshells and make sure to never publicly talk about your choice of technology stack to not upset you people. No, people are allowed to talk publicly about what language they pick for their projects, and they're allowed to publicly disclose when they reconsider. Anything else is literally insane.

Oh please fuck right off. How is saying "I had a bad experience with this community so I'm going to use a different programming language now" dangling anything?

"I had been making this thing that I was going to share with the world in X, now I'll have to choose Y or Z".

The dangle is this sharing of X with the world. If whatever they were writing was private, nobody would have cared, and they'd have known that enough not to bother dangling it.

First, there's absolutely nothing wrong with publicly discussing the Rust project/community's impacts on your choice of language.

Second, he had already publicly talked about doing a project in Rust. Should he have ... somehow avoided making it public that he was changing what language that soon-to-be-public project uses? How would that work?

Reply on news.ycombinator.com