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Honestly, at this point I'm beyond caring much what stuff sounds like "to a skeptic". The past 15 or so years have proven to me that "skeptics" can believe whatever TF they want, all logic and and reason be damned, as long as there is a snazzy YouTube video pointing out how it's all a CoNSp1RacY by the Secret Global Elite.

I'm done with trying to convince people who have made it extremely adamant that they aren't willing to be convinced.

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Sure, there are some people who are not persuadable no matter what. But there are other people who are not crazy but who see stuff like this and have legitimate doubts.

I’d like to know more about the legitimate doubts. I haven’t heard a solid argument yet. Of the arguments I’ve heard though, the speaker had had low scientific literacy and misunderstandings of the scientific process and the data. They were perturbed by media, mainly. So, I’d like to hear someone serious address the issue.

You don't need a solid argument to have doubts, you need to hear a solid argument (or more accurately, several of them over some period of time) not to have doubts, and even then you should be checking and doubting your own assumptions.

Not everyone is a scientist or an engineer. You don't have to be an idiot to read the above statements and have your main takeaway be "they don't know for sure so they guessed" and it's completely reasonable to still have doubts based on that.

So, you’re saying the models that have been used and refined over decades have been wildly inaccurate? It’d be interesting to me to see that analysis. Maybe it’ll change my mind.

I didn't say that at all, clearly you're the one operating in bad faith now.

This is the stuff I'm talking about. I make a deduction, and you respond with a defensive statement and change the subject. I'm just looking for evidence of what you're implicitly claiming. Are the models accurate or not?

Anyway, probably just the inherent difficulty of trying to have a conversation online.

Sure, we only built gigantonormous infrastructures to measure about everything on every cm of this planet, 10s of thousands of highly qualified experts from all over the world work on this full time and have been saying the same thing for decades, but “there are people” who have “““legitimate doubts”””. Sure.

I’m talking specifically about the data from before that infrastructure existed.

This is a cop-out.

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