With this in mind, why is a basic public health policy still a controversial subject?
So NPR and their guests are on the crackpot anti-vaxx bandwagon now?
This doesn't mean it's harmful does it?
That said I wonder what the public health officials are trying to achieve here. Are they trying to encourage the largest number of people to be vaccinated, in the hole of slowing down the transmission? Or are they trying to just use a non-nuanced language ("everyone") in order to convey authority and avoid accidentally seeding doubt? Because if it's the latter, I don't think that works with the present generation. The more you push things the less people trust you. I guess things were different 80 years ago or so, but today people have lost trust in buricracy and totally trust the first lunatic they can find online. Is it hopeless?
Do you actually have any concrete evidence suggesting any specific vaccine is harmful?
We're a few years in the covid pandemic. There should be real-world data by now that supports your claims. Where is it?
I was replying to a claim where a doctor said that it didn't benefit _much_ to people who are healthy and had already had COVID in the past.
I think that quote was taken to imply that the doctor said these people should not be vaccinated. I said that that one doctor didn't actually say that the vaccine was harmful.
So as usual advising everyone to take a med is just plain stupid or even worse.
And doubting officials doesn't make you a lunatic. There are plenty examples where the official standing was just plain bullshit to put it mildly.
If it doesn't harm, perhaps it's worth still participating in something for the collective good. I know you Americans don't often reason that way.
That said, one could question whether vaccinating healthy people will indeed lower the transmission speed qnd thus be q collective good.
But I often hear people just considering what's good for them as individuals as if that was all what matters
EDIT: just to make clear, I'm not advocating for compulsory vaccinating people who don't want to; just trying to offer a different POV so people can choose to behave in a selfish way while fully understanding that they are indeed acting in a selfish way, benefiting from a functioning society and choosing to not give back even if it doesn't cost much
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/09/11/1198719...
I have to call bullshit on your revisionism.
From the very first day, covid vaccines were presented as a way to give your immune system a workout so that the risk of subsequent covid infections being serious or fatal would be far lower.
Covid itself, without a vaccine, was already expected to have an absolute fatality rate of around 3%, which was weighted heavily by vulnerable cohorts like those over 40 and with preexisting conditions.
Those who took the vaccine and were subsequently infected would either experience no COVID symptom at all or only experience mild cases, which contrasts with the huge surge of COVID cases that clogged intensive care units of basically all public healthcare systems in the world.
It's high time that antivaxxers and COVID denialists go through a moment of reflection and introspection to look at all the bullshit they've been peddling. If you feel the need to lie and misrepresent and take the revisionist approach to the COVID pandemic, that already tells you that you have a hard time facing reality.
It's high time fear mongers go through a moment of reflection and introspection to look at all the bullshit they've been peddling.
Get help, bud. Your world view is an illusions you bought into.
What is already known about this topic?
Although COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness decreased with emergence of the Delta variant and waning of vaccine-induced immunity, protection against hospitalization and death has remained high.
What is added by this report?
In 25 U.S. jurisdictions, decreases in case incidence rate ratios for unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons with and without booster vaccine doses were observed when the Omicron variant emerged in December 2021. Protection against infection and death during the Delta-predominant period and against infection during Omicron emergence were higher among booster vaccine dose recipients, especially among persons aged 50–64 and ≥65 years.
What are the implications for public health practice?
COVID-19 vaccination protected against SARS-CoV-2 infection, even as the Omicron variant became predominant. All eligible persons should stay up to date with COVID-19 vaccination.
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Rates of COVID-19 cases were lowest among fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose, compared with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, and much lower than rates among unvaccinated persons during October–November (25.0, 87.7, and 347.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) and December 2021 (148.6, 254.8, and 725.6 per 100,000 population, respectively) (Table 2). Similar trends were noted for differences in the mortality rates among these three groups (0.1, 0.6, and 7.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) during October–November. Age-standardized case IRRs among unvaccinated persons compared with fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose declined from 13.9 during October–November to 4.9 during December, representing potential decreases in crude VE for infection from 93% to 80%, respectively. Comparing unvaccinated persons with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, age-standardized case IRRs during October–November and December were 4.0 and 2.8 respectively, representing decreases in VE from 75% to 64%. During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively. Protection improved among persons who received a booster dose compared with not receiving a booster, regardless of primary series vaccine product type. Booster doses provided the largest gains in protection among persons aged ≥65 years followed by persons aged 50–64 years when compared with those aged 18–49 years.
<https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm>
Your specific claims are of course complete bullshit.