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If I was going to get fired it’d be for telling the truth. Saying no is allowed. If they fire you for telling the truth and there is evidence to support your position then sue the fuck out of them for unfair dismissal.

My current company won’t let me near customers.

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Since your comment references sueing, I’m going to assume you’re in the US, where almost all employment is “at will”. They can dismiss you for any reason as long at it’s not a protected one. Telling the truth and being a jerk is not a protected status, so you won’t be getting anywhere with that lawsuit.

How does that work when the employer puts you in a position where you must provide an answer, the expected answer would involve commiting a crime, and the only alternative is to tell the truth? Whether we like it or not, employers have a lot of leverage over employees. Arguably, it is one of the reasons why employees are paid disproportionately less. Such protections should exist.

I'll believe youbif you claim they don't. I'm not an American, nor do I work for an American firm. On the other hand, I do find it ironic that a country would tout law and order while not providing the means for individuals to uphold that ideal.

You tell the truth. It is wrongful dismissal to fire someone for telling the truth (that is the retaliation prohibition clause).

The US government has a brief summary at https://www.usa.gov/wrongful-termination

Don’t do crimes. That might lead to problems, but they’re easier problems to deal with.

If you're caught, yes it is easier dealing with the truth. On the otherhand, I doubt that the boss thought they would be called out on the claim and I doubt they think they will be called out on the verification of the 'evidence'. After all, it sounds like at least part of the correspondence was in writing, so it could come back on them.

It's not a fun game to play if you're someone who believes in honesty, or think that you will be accountable. On the other hand, some people seem to believe that the costs outweigh the risks. That's particularly true if most of the blame can be diverted to someone else.

People who ask you to do crimes against others will eventually do crimes against you. They obviously don’t have ethics and will just do what’s convenient for THEM. Don’t work for people like that.

Refusing to commit fraud is, in general, not legal cause for termination.

He likely would have a wrongful termination case, depending on state whistleblower statutes.

In the US retaliation by an employer for an employee reporting inappropriate or unlawful conduct to a superior is unlawful. This is a protection granted at the federal level.

The corporations have done a good job convincing most people that “at will” means they can let you go at any time for any reason. They can’t. But we’re in Get A Lawyer territory.

I think the courts will view it differently when if he was fired for not submitting to pressure to commit fraud.

He is working in the UK, so he has rights

Don’t comment on things you know nothing about, being fired for refusing to commit fraud is definitely grounds for unlawful termination.

I truly don’t understand how people work and still have no idea what at will actually means.

keeping a distance from customers/users is my preferred location as well. even designing UI is too close for my liking.

I've broken my habit of retreating from customers. After all, if you don't know their pain, how are you to be an effective yardstick of Quality? If people try to keep you away from the customers/users, you beeline to the customers

A stint in customer support cures this attitude. It’s a special person who can survive that for a career.

Yes. This is why I don't do customers any more.

i'm not sure cures is the word. some people might have a change of attitude, others, it will only ingrain the situation even further.

I think your'e overemphasising how bad it is. I worked for quite some time as a computer tech fixing problems on-site and seeing exactly what issues customers face. I didn't come across too many "bad" clients. Now maybe this is because most customers could not call me directly, they had to log a call first but most people realise that your work is just as important as theirs is.

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