unrelated to the broader tree discussion, but i find this comment incredibly indicative of the type of forum this is. only with engineers do you have to state your point and enumerate through all edge cases around how your idea can be interpreted even though GP PROBABLY didn't mean go back and live there until the end of his life. But even so, that's a derailment of the entire discussion anyway. You always have a person that needs to point out something inane like that which ends up causing a tangent discussion. On a forum, it's fine, you have threads, you can just ignore it and move on, but a lot of meetings & real conversations end up this way. there has to be a name for this because I want to call it something and then coach people out of it