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> if you have enough knowledge of a particular language, you can be very fast and secure in your applications.

So everyone using any kind of framework is a moron or simply doesn't know what he is doing? Really?!

No, I'm just saying that even if we don't use a framework and have to do more work without it, we can build great, secure systems

Of course you _can_ build great and secure systems without any frameworks. But do you _want_ to do that? If I had to build everything from scratch for which I'm using a framework or library right now then I would need _significantly_ longer which would place me and my team at a clear disadvantage against the competition.

There are tradeoffs for sure but you can't have everything all at once.

By the way, what language do you program in and what framework do you use?

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