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politicians really are the most disgusting people

in the modern day, if someone can't go on a podcast and openly discuss why they want to do something, they're basically a fraud

"we need more security" isn't a reason. why do you need to be obscure? what are the threats? i want to know them. share them. there's no harm in me knowing. as a matter of fact there's probably a few million people in your own country that can come up with a better solution than you. why not crowdsource?

it's irresponsible behavior to keep these secrets

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> politicians really are the most disgusting people

which one? not those who vote the things we like or against the things we don't like I suppose.

am I right?

politicians are people, made the same way as anyone else, they are different he same way people in the society are different.

you're basically saying that people are the most disgusting people.

Politicians are not some random sampling of the population, no.

But with sortition they could be.

> Politicians are not some random sampling of the population, no.

of course they are not random, like medics and engineers are not random, but they certainly are more representative of the sentiments of the population than many other jobs out there.

> , but they certainly are more representative of the sentiments of the population than many other jobs out there.

Tens-of-millionaires certainly are not.[1]

What kind of jobs are supposed to be less representative of the population? Big corporation CEOs?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37893547

as I've said, they are not representative of the population, but of their sentiment.

Millionaires are - weirdly enough - loved and respected by a large chunk of the people and all too often even worshiped. See Musk or Jobs or Trump

Why are you not a politician?

(Not passing judgement towards op.) Likely because many intelligent people are compensated more highly in the private sector.

> intelligent people

We're constantly patting ourselves on the back for how intelligent we are. And yet we fail to address such systemic problems, which reduce our quality of life. This feels much more like stroking our own egos while letting ourselves off the hook, than an insightful analysis of the situation.

If you’re smart enough to make good money, you can ignore politics for the most part. These changes will offend your sense of justice but they won’t really harm you. On the other hand, if you try to change the system, it is highly likely to destroy your life. The rational decision is to stay out of politics and live comfortably. I think this is a highly effective feature of the global liberal-capitalist system: most people smart enough to win the game are smart enough not to play.

> On the other hand, if you try to change the system, it is highly likely to destroy your life.

What that implies is that being especially smart isn't sufficient. If being smart was a powerful differentiator, then there would be an opportunity for smart people to enter politics. They would excel because they would have a competitive advantage over the less intelligent people who are currently in politics. They would have the smarts to avoid pitfalls, and profit from their powerful status and accomplishments.

But apparently they don't do this because every single person who is smart enough, has a better opportunity elsewhere. Every single one? I think the more likely reality, is this theory about insufficient compensation being the primary issue, is bunk.

It precisely is that because of what I said. Society constructs don’t generally reward politicians in the same way society rewards capitalism. (Gates, Musk, Buffer, Bezos.)

We reward capitalism irrespective of how much (or little) benefit they provide to society at large.

A smart person could find a way to do something about that; work around the incentive structures, or alter them.

All you're doing is dressing up selfishness as "intelligence", which is not the same thing.

I disagree. You are assuming you know what "a smart persons" objective is. If my goal is to life as good a life as possible for myself, doing things that benefit the broader society may benefit me but maybe not. Whereas, doubling down on a lucrative career outside of politics in many cases eliminates all problems because money can dissolve most (arguably all?) personal struggles.

> Society constructs don’t generally reward politicians in the same way society rewards capitalism. (Gates, Musk, Buffer, Bezos.)

Look at the net worth of someone like Dianne Feinstein (RIP) or Nancy Pelosi.

Intelligent on which topics and subjects though? Successful politicians are highly intelligent socially (can work with different pulls, bring about compromise solutions, change their minds and ideologies quickly to suit changing situations, etc.) and may desire not just monetary rewards that the private sector could better provide but also seek fame, authority and a legacy. I believe there’s a lot more than we may recognize.

Because you need connections to be one?

That's like asking "why are you not a criminal?" Some of us enjoy doing honest work for a living.

Unless you have drank from the kool aid and believe politics to be a force for good and change; in that case it'll be hard to convince you otherwise.

This is why we have grifters and fools running our country. Nobody aspires to political office anymore. It’s a huge problem given that the state has a monopoly on force, because this means a bunch of grifters and fools get a monopoly on force.

You need to be a grifter to lie through your teeth to get elected, and a fool to believe you won't be corrupted by power.

Sounds like a miserable job to have even if you can get it. Sane people that become politicians are performing a tremendous self-sacrifice.

Because politicians are, by and large, corrupt and heavily invested in protecting the status quo. Unless you somehow manage to replace a large portion of them with people with integrity at the same time, a few lone “good” apples will quickly get silenced or pushed out.

See: corrupt police departments.

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