Meanwhile, obviously the carnage of civilians during the initial Gaza raid is also something that you will have hard time matching with anything happening in Ukraine.
Perhaps you will derive something different from these pictures, I just suggest doing that instead of going along with narratives.
Russia has literally deleted entire Ukrainian cities off the map, so this is a very strange paragraph to right.
The only difference is in Ukraine the civilians were told to evacuate there homes when the Russians are near by, in Gaza they are told to stay in there homes by Hamas.
It is also much harder to evacuate people in Gaza.
Exactly, the difference isn't that in the Ukraine war that the Russians are being careful or precise, it's that the Ukrainian citizens can actually evacuate from the areas they are in.
But that's not happened - not against the apartment blocks, anyway.
Or Kharkiv where whole blocks of apartment buildings were demolished by indiscriminate shelling?
Of you read words written by press, you may get an impression that it is comparable. But you will struggle to find evidence backing it up. Because there is not.
Also you seem to be fixed on carnage inflicted to Palestine but not a word about the videos and images of beheadings and wanton murder of Israelis by the hamas terrorists. Why is that? Did not hamas unleash this round of violence by absolutely barbaric attacks?
However, the issue is that exhibit B is whole rows of apartment blocks hollowed out, visibly mangled or even levelled out by Israeli air strikes.
This was my original point.
It’s like your exactly describing what the Russians did to Bakhmut.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/may/18/stark-b...
If we will seee ground offensive in Gaza, the picture will likely be the same but on larger scale. This is on top of air strikes damage, for which the population in these blocks could not prepare.
Sure,
So like the Dnipro apartment block strike that was from a Russian Kh-22 and flattened part of the building.
Here's a photo.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Dnipro_a...
Compare that to Palestinean videos where a dozen of blocks are levelled indiscriminately.
Also note that it's just been two weeks, as opposed to almost two years. Two years of fighting which resulted in just some cherry-picks.
The amount of precision guided missiles that we have seen hit civilian targets makes me think this is just as likely to be an intentional targeting as it is “flying off course”.
Also it would be an AA missile not rocket, rockets are unguided.
> The point of this launch was likely some military target.
You have no way of knowing this, and one could say literally the same thing about the Israeli strikes.
You’re not looking very hard then.
The carnage is identical the Russians have literally leveled entire cities in Ukraine, I dare say the Russians have leveled an area that is overall larger then Gaza in its entirety.
This is before we get to the especially brutal parts of Russias war like when they launched an anti ship missile at a shopping centre.
And no, ground offensives are not the same. I hope we won't see those in Gaza - there is still chance.
It literally nearly levelled a shopping mall and killed 20+ civilians and injured close to 60.
So I guess the real question becomes, are civilian causalities okay or not?, if they are not okay then Russians indiscriminate targeting and killing of civilians in Ukraine is just as bad as Israels.
> And no, ground offensives are not the same. I hope we won't see those in Gaza - there is still chance.
So if Israel kills civilians in a ground offensive does that make it okay?.
The question is actually a different one: about the collateral damage. But in the case of both Palestine and Israel, that question does not even enter the picture. Both sides show no discretion in killing one other.
Murder and genocide has been russian m.o for ever. You can’t downplay this.
Given how multiple cities in Ukraine look after Russias “ground offensive” I presume you’d be fine with Israel flattening Gaza in a ground offensive?.
Considering that’s exactly what Russia is doing to Ukraine.
> The question is actually a different one: about the collateral damage.
Or are you saying that if Ukraine used civilians as meat shields and forced them to stay in place that you would have a problem with what Russia is doing?.