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Here in EU, the price I get in the local Apple Store is 2029€ = $2153.

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Is that with or without VAT? The US always gives prices without VAT, since different states have different rates.

With VAT, I think most EU countries mandate advertised prices to include VAT.

Still, US sales tax is low. EU is >= ~20% almost everywhere.

Sales tax is usually ~7% or more, so $2,029 * 1.07 = $2,171.

You will need to convince your politicians to lower import duties and taxes.

And that $1599 USD is without taxes. So not the whole US has this price. It was always worth for me to travel to Oregon to have zero tax.

I think you mean, convince politicians to allow for the ridiculous tax-excluded display pricing that’s prolific in the US.

Well the average VAT in Europe is about twice as high if not more than the average sales tax in the US.

So I’d rather have to do some basic math but save 10% (of course different tax rates only partially explain the price difference, it still is significantly more expensive in Europe without VAT)

Why is it ridiculous to allow for tax-excluded display of pricing? You couldn't run a TV or newspaper ad with tax-included pricing in the US since there are so many different taxing jurisdictions here (more than 13,000, as of early 2023).

Perhaps what's ridiculous is that we have so many different taxing jurisdictions.

> ridiculous tax-excluded display pricing

Why is that ridiculous? I don't pay sales tax, what else would you have them advertise?

I think this is brilliant: let the people know how much of the price actually goes to the company, and how much to the government. Helps people make an informed decision on who's to blame for high prices of everything.

Even without the taxes it costs ~$200 more in the EU. Admittedly mandatory 2 year warranty might play a role

This, plus a risk of EUR/USD exchange rate going wrong way in the next year.

It usually comes with a 2 year warranty, which adds to the costs.

Here's some example US->EU Markups for other laptops in the same (EU) price range, sold direct by manufacturers to Ireland (list price to list price, so tax excl in US, tax incl in EU):

- Macbook Pro (M3, 8GB RAM, 512 GB Storage): $1549 -> €2049 ($2179) = 40% Markup

- Dell XPS 15 (i3-13700H, RTX 4050, 16GB RAM, 512GB Storage): $1865 -> €1989 ($2110) = 13% Markup

- Framework 16 (Prebuilt Performance Pro - Ryzen 7840HS, 16GB RAM, 512GB Storage): $1739 -> €1907 ($2023) = 16% markup

Apple's EU markup is an outlier here.

USA/CANADA prices are without VAT/sales taxes.

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