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I rented a Model Y for a weekend, now that is garbage.

I went to a showroom I looked at Teslas. I could not find a single car with even panels gaps. The wipers don't work. The car doesn't have USS anymore and Tesla vision sucks. I could go on and on and on. I seriously considered one but just too many shortcomings.

For the price of Model Y, I can buy a Lexus ES300h(car is QC and build perfection) and drive that car for the next 15 years with oil changes once a year.

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Why does everyone suddenly care about panel gaps?

It feels like the quip everyone uses without any meaningful value.

If they don't put the car together well for the parts you see, how well did they put it together for the parts you don't see?

Do panel gaps really matter? Probably not, but if I'm paying Tesla prices, maybe?

My two vehicles are 20 and 24 years old. Neither have panel gaps. If they were able to do that decades ago, why not now?

> Why does everyone suddenly care about panel gaps?

There's absolutely nothing sudden about people caring about panel gaps on new vehicles.

Cockeyed panel gaps are a tell-tale of a used/bodged vehicle, this has been the case my entire life. It's the last thing you want to see on what's supposedly a new vehicle, and it sticks out like a sore thumb.

People note frictions.

Because normally they are a given

It just illustrates what priorities Tesla sets. They are expensive cars yet their quality is low both in and outside. For example the interior lining of the doors is easily damaged, just moving a cardboard box against it rips it. This doesn't happen in my 11 year old BMW and it isn't even a top of the line model, just a bog standard 116d.

Or when talking about BMW, nobody know but they have some 3-layered paint that is much harder to scratch than typical paint of say VW or french cars. People like to bash premium cars but its exactly getting as much as you pay for

Same. The Model Y was completely uninspiring. I liked my old Chevy Bolt better.

It didn't help that the experience of renting from Hertz was terrible, but renting the Y seemed to confirm every terrible Tesla rumor and then some. It didn't drive well, the range was surprisingly bad(abused battery maybe?), the controls were confusing and distracting, and hell, even the acoustics of the interior were terrible(glass roof is dumb).

Everything I've seen on Tesla's controls make me want to run away. Unfortunately, most other auto manufacturers are copying many of these bad ideas because they're trying to cargo cult tesla's success so I probably in for a bad time when I need a new car regardless.

> I rented a Model Y for a weekend, now that is garbage

And yet it takes the #4 spot for most vehicle sales in 2023 in the US, and likely the #1 spot globally.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars...

> I could not find a single car with even panels gaps.

I keep hearing this from people, especially my friends who work for other manufacturers. I personally couldn't care less.

Hell, if they sold it pre-scratched and pre-dented It'd be even better, would same me the paranoia of something happening to it.

I’m going to blow your mind right now. They sell pre-dented and pre-scratched cars! Have you ever heard of the used car market? And the prices reflect that!

Why would anyone pay new car prices for a damaged car? It has lower resale value.

Except there's massive difference between a car with an imperfect appearance, and once that's been driven before and e.g. no longer covered by warranty.

> Why would anyone pay new car prices for a damaged car? A) I didn't say it had to be the same price. Sell the car with a bumper blemish and give people a discount to account for the fact that you didn't have to reject parts.

B) People might buy it for the same reason that others gent bent out of shape about panel gaps; personal differences in what they value.

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