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I agree with you on the state of podman compose.

I just wanted to clarify that you can run docker-compose with podman in _rootless_ mode. This can be done by running podman's systemd user service.

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FWIW I actually tend to run podman compose inside a podman container. This is so I can containerize the integration tests which orchestrate the app. It's a useful pattern - one I think should be a lot more widely used for several reasons. The systemd service wouldn't work in this context.

I could maybe use some entrypoint magic to run a server when the container starts just so I can use docker compose but still...eww.

Running a podman systemd service might suffice if it was something that could be installed with a snap of two fingers on every environment but if it means fscking around with service files it's definitely not something I'd want to add to a "set up a development environment" README.

I see, interesting. I guess you are saying that systemd service wouldn't work because it's not available inside the container.

FWIW it's possible to run a rootless podman container with a working systemd inside the container. I've near tried running podman in podman using systemd though.

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