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I typed something very similar in parallel with you. Guess the engineering typically required is no more? At least not here.

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Pay peanuts get monkeys. Game dev has been infamous for taking in young, fresh college graduates, promise them "credits" and "fun life" and then run them through the grinder for shit pay. And eventually, even those who survived the grinder and ended up living long enough to become seniors burn out, and that's how you get this kind of clusterfuck in the end.

Game dev seriously needs to follow the VFX industry and unionize. I have zero trust left in fellow gamers to not buy games from unethical producers.

Make people work 12 hour days to ship before you go out of business and corners will need to get cut. Insulting engineers and describing them as "monkeys" because you are unaware of businesses function is quite unwarranted. "Real engineers" need to take a real look at themselves!

"Pay peanuts get monkeys" is a proverb.

> Make people work 12 hour days to ship before you go out of business and corners will need to get cut.

Won't happen. The US barely has any employment laws, and so do many other countries of the world.

What won't happen?

As long as the government doesn't ban employing people for 12 hours and more straight for weeks, and actually enforces that ban, there will always be enough employers doing so, and enough people willing to go through with it "for the credits".

Especially in am industry that sees depressed wages because it's the dream job for many.

I'm still not sure what from my original statement won't happen.

Colossal Order is in Finland and Paradox Interactive is in Sweden, both of which have strong employment laws.

Game dev in general is that way, but my impression was that Colossal Order had traditionally been a little better than most. I suppose I may have been mistaken.

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