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This isn’t a new subject. For instance, both Google and Facebook are not allowed in China despite their past attempts to comply with mercurial and vague CCP laws.

https://www.businessinsider.com/major-us-tech-companies-bloc...

I’m sure there are more US companies and industries that are not allowed to compete in China’s domestic market.

The GDPR is protectionist legislation for EU companies, but it doesn’t prevent US companies from doing business in the EU. It’s a terrible comparison to the CCP’s outright ban on many US companies.

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So how does Microsoft manage it? Bing and other Microsoft properties are accessible in China.

Most likely because China relies on Windows? I don’t know and it’s a moot point.

All I know is that there has been a large swath of US and other Western companies that are barred from doing business in China. That’s a fact. As to why, it’s likely protectionism for local mainland companies who wouldn’t have been able to compete.

The "why" is because Microsoft and Apple follow Chinese laws.

Just like Tesla, Ford, and GM follow Chinese laws and can operate in China.

The other companies refused to follow Chinese laws, so they aren't allowed to do business in China.

As I’ve already mentioned multiple times, other companies tried to comply with CCP laws but they were blocked out anyways.

What’s a specific example?

I’ve already listed one news article with specific examples. One can find more over the past decade. I don’t have the burden of proof. That’s on you since this is common knowledge in the West

Burden of proof would fall upon the person making the claim. Appealing to the cultivated state of general ignorance in the West does not absolve you of this. In fact, the article you reference supports my position since it cites “restrictive laws and regulations” as the reason these companies do not operate in China.

1. I’ve already provided proof

2. It’s already a well known and accepted phenomenon

The burden of proof is still on you since you’re making a claim that goes against accepted facts, while NOT providing anything concrete to back it up.

We’re not getting anywhere. there is no point in continuing this conversation

I didn’t make a claim, I asked how Western companies were blocked. But my evidence that Western companies are not blocked is that Apple and Microsoft operate in China. Uber operated there as well but lost to local competition. Phrenology was well known and documented also.

They cut a deal. Just like how apple partners with a chinese firm to store chinese users' data in china.

“Cut a deal” or maybe they followed local laws

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