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> So far, only Tesla seems to be able to update car software remotely, regularly and reliably. I'm certain it's neither easy nor cheap.

My Jeep Grand Cherokee has OTA for over 5+ years. BMW has been doing it since 2018.

I’m almost positive a family member had it with GMC on star back in the late 2000s.

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I don't think the Jeep or BMW infotainment systems are nearly as fleshed out or complex as Rivian's, especially not Tesla's. Maybe I'm wrong!

That’s a huge plus for me. CarPlay or nothing. BMW is becoming closer to a Tesla like screen. GM is supposed to drop CarPlay in favor of whatever they are doing on their EVs.

I don’t want my ICE/EV to become a SaaS app where I’m paying $500 a year to use my own car.

> GM is supposed to drop CarPlay in favor of whatever they are doing on their EVs

IIRC its not just their EVs its all cars.

Shouldn't make such a bold IIRC statement correcting someone without first doing a quick Google to verify.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43488135/gm-apple-carplay...

Specifically it's for the new Ultium EVs. Bolts, Lyriqs, Hummers will still have it.

If I had known it for a fact I wouldn't have prefaced it with "IIRC".

Guess I didn't recall correctly. Thanks for pointing that out.

Updating software is orthogonal to the complexity of the software application being updated, unless you have horribly designed your architecture. I know, because I've made that mistake.

Well then we need to ask why is their infotainment systems so complex? and does it need to be?

I want my infotainment systems go connect to Android Auto. That is is.

Make it do that, and only that.

This drive to make EV's as complex as possible is one of the reason i am not planning on buying one

EV's are suppose to be SIMPLER than ICE. Make me a Simple Car with simple controls, and just replace the ICE with a battery and Electric Motor, give me an app for my Phone that can do the Charging Trip Calculators and interface with other systems.

I do not want a compplex SaaS app on wheels

android auto is just a different brand of infotainment system

And if it fails it is inconvenient

Well, good news, Bollinger has made your product!

No they haven't. Bollinger only makes commercial trucks.

BMW in particular is an interesting case, a (late) friend of mine drove just about every model the day after it came out (BMW fan) and they spent more time in the shop for software issues than they did driving. To the point that he'd get attached to some of the loaners, it really was that bad.

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