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I am frankly amazed at the amount of Tesla's in my corner of Europe. There is only one Tesla service center and it has a backlog of months.

The cars are really not that reliable and if you get in a fender bender no regular body shop can help you. If worse you are likely completely fucked with costs going into the many thousands very quickly. Not to mention waiting for months on repair.

Also the resell value after a few years is awful. The most popular reseller site has so so many available.

Tesla's in my opinion are a luxury vehicle but unlike other car luxury vehicles. They are a luxury because they are like a smart phone. Once it is too old or broken, you throw it away and the money is gone entirely.

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Oh gosh since I forgot to cite sources:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/collision-repair-tak...

https://www.teslaownersonline.com/threads/model-3-significan...

https://old.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/vjd02j/tesla_s...

https://old.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/13yks9p/frustr...

When you say they aren't reliable, what do you mean? I've had a few things break, like a seat weight sensor and a side camera over a few years but I would call the core car itself very reliable.

The article of this post?

Oh, you're simply restating the article and are talking specifically about breaks, axels and lights?

Along with: > Tesla’s lack of service centers is a global problem

Your question is answered in the linked article.

Can you support your resale value claim with a source? Teslas continue to have the highest resale value of any "luxury" car in the US.

You have to be kidding. The prices have dropped massively. Just Google model Y history over last 3 years from $63k to $52k.

Before $7500 rebate which is the real used market killer

I check all the time and the used market (on 3 and Y) isn't nearly cheap enough to opt out of a brand new model with full warranty

And because of the reliability issues, the full warranty is quite valuable (in the short term at least)

-- my 2015 S battery dies literally the day after the 8y warranty ended. $15k to replace with a refurbished battery AND forfeit my battery to them to resell it. The trade in value of the car, assuming it worked, was only $20k.

Not sure this is that the parent meant, but with Tesla’s price drops, Hertz said they had to depreciate them faster. [1] If you buy at $50k and the next week they more sell for $40k Tesla, you’ve lost money. And Tesla has had multiple price drops.

1. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/26/hertz-pulls-back-on-ev-p...

Hertz were renting their cars to Uber drivers. Their results aren't representative.

How they were used is irrelevant to the point being made.

Why? All cars driven as Ubers depreciate faster than typical cars, Tesla or not. Hertz is trying to blame Tesla for their own mistake.

1. Hertz’s Tesla fleet certainly is not used solely for Uber. In some areas they are popular for regular car rentals. I know, because I’ve gotten them when renting cars on trips with Hertz.

2. Hertz’s issue is that they bought (some of) their Teslas and then Tesla dropped the price of new vehicles significantly. So even if Hertz never rented them out and had them in a showroom, they already have lost money on resale value.

https://jalopnik.com/hertz-tesla-rental-fleet-costs-deprecia...

The repair experience isn't much better in the US.

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