And when I write "they", it is from the perspective of a native of Versailles who still has to think hard when looking at the web site in his own language. I cannot imagine for a tourist.
Maybe this has improved (I hope so) but everytime someone visited, I had to do a new PhD in ticketology.
not to mention that we managed to buy a return ticket for CDG "for nothing". because on Sunday morning that part of RER B was not running due to some scheduled work, and the replacement bus ran once every hour, which we missed by a few minutes (because we spent time buying and eating fresh croissants, yes, whahah! but were also completely unaware that we really should go to catch that bus ...), so we had to get a taxi.
oh, and we managed to get trapped at the Versailles station, because we had no idea that the ticket we bought for Zone1-4 was "dans" Paris. whatever that means. of course we got a very stereotypical pointing out by the otherwise kind station attendant :D
oh and the BigMacs in Paris are the best so far I had in Europe... how? and why? and what's the secret!?
oh, and no bed bugs. (so far. fingers crossed.)
Weird, because any of the 5 train stations in Versailles should be in zone 4 and you shouldn't had any issue to leave the station... Though honestly, I feel like there's a bunch of things that aren't clear with the RATP system, especially for people who aren't local.
YTA here bud, if you had spent less time on the pastries you wouldn't of missed the bus!
This is almost a tradition Versailles (or at least used to be - there were changes in the zoning and since I hardly take the train anymore I do not know what the zones are now).
The traditional way is to look surprised and desperate and to go to the attendant with a sad face and they wave you through.
Rhôôôô (← the typical annoyed French grunt). This was some kind of non-event and everyone played along (even our government). No worries, there are much more dangerous things in Paris to be afraid of.
The road to CDG is currently a shitshow. I took it two or three weeks ago and what normally takes 45 minutes took almost 2 hours. Good thing I always plan to spend quality time at the airport.
There are plenty of road (and not road) works in the northern part of Paris for the Olympic Games and you never know what you get (and as the mayor of Paris said, we will be late anyway)
So, it ensures high quality sourcing as well as fresh cooking, it makes sense that it's better. But it is also way more expensive than neighboring countries in my experience.
The last one is important, because there's a huge protectionist tariff on beef in Switzerland, so McDonalds is either buying super cheap import meat or using local. (And my guess is that they are not importing, it's simply noticeably worse.)
You really see they squeeze every bit of quality to have the cheapest menus possible (I guess due to high CH wages), but at the end they cost the same as normal restaurant with lunch menu offer, so only desperate or not-so-smart people go there when there is competition (after 10pm situation is different unfortunately).
My wife has a Pixel and is with Bouygues and it works.
My son has a Xiaomi and is with Free and it works.
Does this work on iPhone now?
I live in SF and travel regularly to NYC and both of those just let me tap my phone and go. It honestly felt weird for the US to be ahead of a major European city in this way.
But you can use cards, ticket, or phone in any station.
The only thing you can’t use, which, in 2023 is pretty stupid, are payments cards (so neither Apple Pay and Google Pay). They even had a long fight with Apple for years to get full access to the NFC API instead of going with just payment cards.
Ironically, there are a lot of other cities in France that are compatible with payment cards, but not Paris.
I can imagine that it’s not the same scale to upgrade Paris ticketing vs the smaller cities but since they’ve done a major overhaul anyway …
It is possible to have fully digital ticketing with complete anonymity (again, assuming no external surveillance) using zero-knowledge proofs. As far as I'm aware, no such systems have been implemented for ticketing yet, but rapid progress is being made in implementing these for general-purpose digital identity situations.
There's also the much more pedestrian^ option, used for instance in Brussels, where the transport company simply promises not to track individuals even when it would be possible for them to do just that. That said, in Brussels I personally got the impression that a large proportion of passengers did not present tickets when entering a bus or tram, and indeed the Brussels Metro trains don't require that anyway. Thus tracking of individuals' movements would be quickly thwarted by apathy on the part of passengers!
^: not the most pedestrian option, naturally.
At worst, a paper ticket can reveal your location when you buy it, when you start a journey, and possibly when you transfer or end a journey. It's already a close to ideal system: it provides proof of the right to travel in the event of a ticket control, without needing to reveal your identity, destination, past or future journeys, home address, phone number, banking details, or any other extra info. Out of band info exists in either case.
A phone app, which is what everything trends towards and seemingly what most people want to use, almost certainly has access to enough information from your device to uniquely identify you. The default will be to ask for your location, and most will grant it. Now the app knows who you are, where you live, exactly when you travel, who with, to what destinations, etc.
The trend is always towards more surveillance. Regardless of what is technically possible, digital will always struggle to achieve the levels of privacy and anonymity that are trivial with century old technology.
I grew up with the paper tickets, and remember being jealous of people with a Navigo. They could go through the gates so fast, and the contactless tech and little "bling" sound the gate makes when they touch in seemed so futuristic and cool! I never thought I'd come to see the paper tickets as almost too good to be true. That they have survived this long feels like a glitch in history, and in a rapidly evolving world they're a strong reminder of what's being lost.
Some cities in Germany do this. Instead they do regular ticket inspection with high fines.
Makes for much smoother entry and exit to the stations and making the metro feel part of the city.
I hope that digital options which are as private as paper tickets will be implemented, because I don't want 'digital' to mean 'surveillance' by default!
Some machine have contactless payment support, it's indicated on them. Sure it would be better to have more but the option exists at last, and I guess more equipment will be upgraded in the future. If anything this is the smallest issue with the subway and the capital in general.
And of course it still only works with Android.
Easy would be following what's being done in major transit systems all over the world: Let people immediately pay for rides without installing or thinking about anything, by tapping their phone on the turnstile. And for a bonus, adopt TfL's fare capping so people don't have to try to game the various discount options.
Nowadays money is no longer physical for the vast majority of users (instead cards/phones are used), so there is no need for tickets anymore as managing an EMV transaction is just as easy as some internal ticketing operation (in both cases you'd need a network-connected computer).
Maybe Paris will support iPhones properly and get contactless working in 2030, at this rate?
Touch screens which can handle vandalism and the elements and not need calibration are not as easy as just using a roller ball to go through elements.
I wouldn't expect anything else from an American attempt at a public transport (sorry, "public transit") system, unfortunately. Sadly it seems like a very car-centric culture has taken hold in the states which has stifled investment and innovation when it comes to public transport.
OMNY will eventually fix things using tech 'borrowed' from Oyster when it's fully rolled out (which must be soon), but until then it seems like a poor system.
> I find it frankly absurd to be nitpicking such details in the face of such an accomplishment.
The whole customer proposition is important; not just the infrastructure. I am sure the Elizabeth Line in London wouldn't have seen the adoption it has (well in excess of predictions) without an easy-to-use fares system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMNY
I use Apple Express Transit on my Apple Watch with the NY MTA. I just tap my wrist and the turnstile unlocks.
Also it caps at $34 in a 7 day period.