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Comment by zeroonetwothree | Hacker News Reader

I just move on and work with someone else. Not worth the stress.

This is good advice but when given I often hear pushback; there are no other jobs, why should I leave, or we need a union etc. If a job is making you feel bad, you should leave, because no matter what you're not likely to change that job. People bristle at this notion..

Changing your company is usually easier than changing your company. ;)

I pitch that advice as follows:

You have two choices here.

You can be fight for what you think is right but go into that battle understanding you have a high chance of losing. It is a noble endeavor and society needs people willing to pay the personal price to make forward progress. Only you can decide if this is the hill you want to die on.

The second choice is to put yourself and/or your family first and move on. It's just a job. This second choice will almost always result in more happiness and possibly even wealth for you.

Which is more important to you? Fighting for some form of "justice" here or being happy?

My first boss told me once: "You can either change your job or change your job" and that's how I always looked at it. Try to effect change, but don't force it.

To be fair, it isn't a drop of a hat to switch jobs. Just look at the current tech market. It ain't always an option even here.

And while I get job hopping because of money (bigger pay bumps, company loyalty is dead), I still wouldn't want to hop Too often. That will also make it harder to jump later on when a really good opportunity comes up.

It also brings up an old adage: "when everything around you smells, look under your shoe". Of every job has "someone" that annoys you in different ways, you may need more than a change of environment to address that.

This is better advice. If you can move on then do that.

"Run away from your problems, avoid dealing with them or learning better interpersonal skills" is better advice?

Not the phrasing I used or would use but, of course.

If your goal is specifically to learn how to work with people you don't like then it makes sense to try work with them. If your goal is anything but that then you're better off avoiding that situation.

This enables unscrupulous companies to force people to quit by consistently being assholes to them.

So, win/win, then? /s

Document the abuse, collect enough evidence, quit, then sue them for constructive dismissal.

Constructive dismissal is typically a couple of years salary at best. If the company doesn't care about the bad PR from the legal proceedings then it's just a hard graft for little benefit and lots of potential downside.

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