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The legal code and constitution also guarantees equal rights under the law. Can you cite an example of an Israeli Arab being denied any legal right due to that law?

Don’t get me wrong, I wish that law didn’t exist. It’s a mistake, but it’s mostly posturing by the Jewish nationalist faction.

The nakba was an appalling catastrophe. It shouldn’t have happened. But then the Arab invasion with the explicit aim of killing and expelling the Jews shouldn’t have happened either. Nor should the expulsion of 800,000 Jews from Arab countries. They were all terrible disasters. The world would be a better place if they hadn’t happened, but they did. Now we live in the world of today.

Are the Arab countries going to let the descendants of their Jewish populations back, and return the property and land confiscated from them? Are they going to grant them citizenship and let them serve in the police, army and judiciary with full democratic rights?

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Are Jewish citizens of Israel routinely the subject of indefinite administrative detentions?

A codified law is "mostly posturing"?

I’ll ask again, can you cite any example of an Israeli Arab being denied any legal right under that law?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-pa....

Posted under a throwaway because I am legitimately afraid for my employment for touching this issue.

They’re not Israeli citizens.

> Can you cite an example of an Israeli Arab being denied any legal right due to that law?

Here you go, 30 seconds on Google: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/middleeast/israel-arab-citize...

Will you stop spreading misinformation now? Or will you start splitting hairs, "Oh it's not due to the law, probably a coincidence haha"?

This guy is lying SOO MUCH man. It's not even funny. Saying things like Jews escaped with their lives from Arab states and how Arab leaders wanted to expel/kill all Jews just because. He conveniently forgot to mention the series of events that lead to the wars between Israel and Arab nations. It's so funny that he's making it an Arabs vs Jews thing when...Jews actually thrived under Muslim/Arab rule. Jewish scholars like dean phillip bell say that Jews time under Islamic rule and how much they prospered was comparable to that of the golden age of Islam. Meaning because they were protected by the Muslims for such a long period from 638 AD - 1100 then 1300 - 1917 (over 1300 years). they were able to be prosperous. What an absolute joke and liar that guy is.

>” how Arab leaders wanted to expel/kill all Jews”

I quoted the Arab leader that orchestrated the assault in 1948 on that point. I can give more if you like. Here’s the then Prime Minister of Iraq Nuri al-Said: "We will crush the state with our guns and destroy any place in which the Jews seek shelter."

It’s true Jews and Arabs lived side by side for over a thousand years. Those Jewish populations in Arab regions were there in peace for a long time. It’s also true they were forcibly expelled after the Turks and Europeans left. That happened throughout the Arab world.

Forcibly expelled? Most immigrated because of the Zionist state that was formed. And some were expelled in exchange for Palestinian Arabs that were being displaced.

Why are you making such oversimplified, reductionist statements? Most Jews immigrated. There's so much history and back and forth between what happened. Like how Israel had Operation Ezra and Nehemiah which aimed to bring Jews from Iraq to Israel. And things like how there was rising tensions because of the illegal establishment of Israel and how that caused Jews to be killed in Arab nations like in Libya. And how there was reason to believe Jews were being guided by Zionists to be progressively aggressive. Then Israel helped Jews from Libya leave. Then in Egypt, there were anti-jews riots, but that was stopped by the Egyptian government in 1945. But 20K Egyptian Jews left in the 48' war betwee Israel and Egypt. Then some progressively left amid some more civil conflicts in Egypt. Then finally the largest chunk left when Israel invaded Egypt in '56. In Syria, the president allowed the immigration of Jews legally in 1949. In Yemen, Israel enacted Operation Magic Carpet to bring 44K jews. So I just gave a few examples which add more color to what actually happened rather than simple what you said "forcibly expelled" which is completely and utterly false. Again. Stop spreading bllsht. And back up your claims.

Most jews emigrated, that's true, the number killed in pogroms was not huge generally in the hundreds in any given events. Nevertheless at various times in various countries they were often banned form selling property, banned from using banks, denied legal paperwork, various banned from emigrating or forcible expelled. Of course many chose to go because they had somewhere to go.

However the idea that this was the main driving force isn't compatible with the actual pattern of emigration. If the pull from Israel was the dominant factor we'd expect to see more or less uniform emigration from Arab countries. We don't, rather emigration was at different times from different places, driven by local conditions and government policies. For example the mass emigration of most Persian jews was very late compared to Arab countries, coinciding with the Iranian revolution in the 1970s.

Crime against Arab Israelis is appalling. Nothing to do with the nation state law (which to be clear is a stupid mistake), as far as I can tell it’s not even mentioned in the article.

>> Or will you start splitting hairs, "Oh it's not due to the law, probably a coincidence haha".

> Nothing to do with the nation state law (which to be clear is a stupid mistake), as far as I can tell it’s not even mentioned in the article.

LOL.

A silly mistake, surely, to codify apartheid into law, teehee. And then one thing leads to another, and people somehow end up being discriminated. Completely unrelated, though! Could happen to any of us if we’re not careful!

I am not claiming Israel is ideal, it certainly isn't. The nakba was a real event too. There are plenty of jewish extremists.

I am simply pointing out that decrying Israel as an ethno-state while giving Arab countries a free pass on that, or even denying their mass expulsions and appropriation of property happened at all, is absurd.

First of all, Israel is being criticized because their war is partly being bankrolled by US congress. North Korea also gets up to all sorts of monkey business but at least that bill is not on US tax payers.

Second of all, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Who's funding what is certainly a relevant issue, but not what we're discussing in this comment thread.

It's not whataboutism because I am in no way using Arab countries behaviour to justify, distract or change the subject from anything done by Israel or Jewish extremists, which I have recognised and criticised. I am pointing out obviously false claims, blatant hypocrisy, and arguing that illegal and immoral behaviours on both sides should be condemned.

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