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Even if visuals failed, Tesla has a sonar, radar and Tesla is moving at snail pace.

Hell, my vacuum stops moving when it detects it crashed into something (likely torque required to move wheels is larger than expected).

Edit: at the end of the day, it doesn't matter why it happened. The result is a crash in a super simple environment and is (to me) quite indicative to the state of things. They are supposed to come up with solutions, not excuses (also, Elon hates lidar, but that is still on Tesla).

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Tesla dropped radar, lidar and ultra-sound from their cars a while ago [0]. This was another childish decision by Musk, who personally overruled the engineers [1].

[0] https://www.tesla.com/support/transitioning-tesla-vision

[1] https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-...

Andrej Karpathy claims to stand by that decision: https://youtu.be/_W1JBAfV4Io?si=QUceD5ZG0j_hclHP&t=39

"Did you agree with your egomaniacal boss who thinks he is a brilliant engineer and programmer when he made one of the biggest blunders, or did you know better?"

0 projection or prejudice being done here, you come across as perfectly rational.

They are trialing a radar again in the S, but from their marketing it doesn't look like it's a clear benifit yet

I would compare them to other companies: they’re not going to lightly outshow their own products since that both affects sales and increases the odds of a lawsuit on behalf of everyone who bought the older models under false advertising. It’s more likely to end badly in court if the lawyer can say everyone else in the industry got this right but their clients vehicles will never get the promised features because they lack the necessary hardware.

> Hell, my vacuum stops moving when it detects it crashed into something (likely torque required to move wheels is larger than expected).

Ha ha, that's a good take. Maybe you could help musk and point him to that vacuum :D

On a serious note self driving sounds like a near impossible problem due to deadly corner cases that take intuition of a general purpose AI.

Driving in California is probably the easiest level of complexity. How do you drive in inner EU town and cities?

I will believe when I see it. Otherwise any claims of 'we almost have it working' are lies to me

You say EU I say India.

That's easy. Just drive slowly and keep intensely honking.

> my vacuum stops moving when it detects it crashed into something

In the home, fewer objects are in motion near the vacuum. But maybe if you have a lot of cats...

Does Tesla still have sonar and radar? I thought everything but cameras were removed a few years ago

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