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Peer-Reviewed Studies That Link Glyphosate to the Destruction of the Microbiome

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TFA is cancer, pun certainly intended. Low effort "summaries" that are completely inaccurate.

The summary for "Study 2" mentions Akkermansia muciniphila--which is not mentioned even once in the linked study.

"Study 3" has absolutely nothing to do with mental health--environmental health, maybe, but nothing whatsoever to do with linking glyphosate exposure to anxiety or depression.

"Study 4" has nothing to do whatsoever with urine, or the "urine metabolome," whatever that is.

The summary of "Study 6" mentions that it is about aquatic organisms like fish and crayfish. It's not--it's about bees and pollination.

"Study 7" is about mouse oocytes--not about soil at all.

"Study 9" is about zebrafish, and has nothing to do with Type II diabetes or CVD in humans.

From Medium:

> Collapse News: News about the Collapse of Humanity

Edit: @dang Can we flag this? This "site" is continually putting out blatantly false information in their articles, and it seems that from a sibling comment [0] several other posts from "Collapse News" have been flagged for similar reasons.

0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38627430

If I were trying to prevent people from looking at the health risks of glyphosate, I'd flood the Internet with articles and sites like this to make sure nobody takes it seriously.

FYI, multiple articles from this medium page have been flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=medium.com/chrisjeffr...

Even if someone does get flagged/dead consistently, if they happen to hit content that is interesting to HN, that is a good thing. Maybe they'll figure out what the community actually wants to see and improve their contributions.

And if the studies linked aren't worthwhile, I'm sure the community will flag it accordingly.

Either way, I'm going to judge each post on its own merits.

The problem isn't that the content is interesting, the problem is that the content is false. Nothing in TFA links to anything supporting the "claims."

That is the reason for flagging, not just this post, but several others by the same submitter on the same Medium site.

> And if the studies linked aren't worthwhile, I'm sure the community will flag it accordingly.

Again, the issue has nothing to do with the studies. The issue is that TFA falsely portrays the studies in the summaries--to such an extent that the summaries are either intended to be in reference to another study, or they are entirely fabricated.

Great, then flag it. Once I saw the problems with it, I did.

The point is that your critiques from the comment above could have been the points in your top comment. Attacking a post because of the author, even one who is habitually flagged, just doesn't seem to be in the right spirit. If it deserves flagging, do so. If not, don't.

> Attacking a post because of the author, even one who is habitually flagged, just doesn't seem to be in the right spirit.

It's a good point, and I agree. I see what your earlier comment was referring to a little more clearly now.

Can someone more educated on the microbiome please explain why research in this area has barely progressed over the last decade? maybe i'm wrong but i can't find any new treatments for gut health. like someone else mentioned, my digestion has materially changed for the worse since taking a long bout of antibiotics 8 years ago...wondering why there's no treatment.

Glyphosate is studied a lot. That you can find 10 studies that state any position is not a statistical surprise. I know chemicals bad supports a message some people want to spread, but we need to demand more proof than that. Cherry picking studies that support your position is not proof.

I cynically fear that once "they" successfully ban Glyphosate from store shelves something worse will come along and take its place. And by "worse" I mean less studied, perhaps more harmful in the long run.

Compared to what. Turmeric and garlic both have antibacterial properties and could thus affect the microbiome.

Garlic nor turmeric isn't basically wiping your guts clean, I know form my own experiences since I come from the culture where during harsh winters copious amounts of raw garlic is consumed to prevent getting sick (doesn't work that well once you are properly sick but prevention works wonderfully... but the smell for others ain't that great TBH). You can have very frequent consumption of those 2 and gut being overall in very good shape. Maybe our bodies can handle those and repopulate bowels from cervix for example.

I know when I took a course of some general antibiotics, my bowels and everything related changes, for the worse, for some time. Nothing like that even with copious amounts of those 2.

This is a kind of experiment with no control. You have no idea how sick you would have been without it. I'm not taking garlic but some years I get sick, some others not. Self-experiments are usually extremely poor predictors of efficacy unfortunately.

Turmeric and garlic primarily destroy microbiota that are widely considered pathogenic in excess in the human microbiome. Most spices have their roots in bioactive compounds that have been (or evolved to be) beneficial to humans when consumed, either as anti parasitical, or antagonists against harmful bacterial overrun such as h. Pylori, yeasts, and others. We probably evolved to find those compounds tasty, and maybe reinforced their tastiness through cultivation.

Glyphosates have no such history with humans, but have proven useful to reduce the labor cost of agriculture.

No in vitro they are pretty much killing most of what they touch.

I think clinical outcomes are what we’re most interested in here.

> Compared to what.

I guess that was a question.

Reading TFA, compared to not using glyphosate.

Garlic, f.e., does not deleteriously deplete the soil's microbiome. After being cooked it provides a lovely aroma / flavour (compare and contrast glyphosate).

The original article is talking about the human microbiome. Garlic and turmeric would affect that as well.

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