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SUVs bring more people. Hate to see families forced to bring two cars to avoid this tariff.

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At least in the US average car occupancy is 1.6. https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1040-july...

In France, that average is 1.3. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2022/05/03/the-env...

If SUVs were actually regularly fully utilized, then things like HOV lanes would not work.

Have you actually looked at the median occupancy of an SUV? I’ll bet it’s the same as every other passenger car: one.

There’s a difference of what they can do and what they actually do most of the time in practice.

Just like “off-road” pick ups. I really want to but a sierra HD but I have no reason to do it other than showing off. Marketing won.

Do you size your car for median or max occupancy needs? If you drop the kids at school for 1/3 of your commute and you are alone the other 2/3 going to work, your mediam occupancy is 1.

Only 11% of families in the US have five people or more. Odds you will need a huge car that fits 8 are very slim, but we have not made people buying these large cars pay for the externalities they bring. I can buy a Yukon XL when I have a family of 4 instead of a minivan because I'm making everyone else pay for my subsidized fuel and road usage.

If I were paying the actual price, including externalities, I would not have bought this car nor feel at risk because every other vehicle on the road is made on top of a truck platform.

Not necessarily. There are a lot of stupid ‘compact’ SUVs out there which are big on the outside and small on the inside, and inefficient for no reason. Things like the Nissan Juke. Those things should be taxed to oblivion, so people stop buying them.

A Nissan Juke is only about as long as a Toyota Corolla (shorter actually); it's hardly "big on the outside".

Interesting, but maybe not the whole story. A relative has one of these and tells me its efficiency is godawful, which I put down at least in part to its bulky uprightness (I have a longer estate/station wagon which does nearly twice the mpg).

As unintuitive as it sounds, less cars can brings more people

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/09/21/what-are-the-econom...

Therefore they are worse if only one person uses it.

Btw buses bring 50 ppl.

How many families with more than three kids are there? Because that’s the amount of people any car can bring.

SUVs carry, for the most part, their own weight. And the fragile ego of the owner, of course.

Isn't that solved by the system that limits what vehicles can come into the city each day? The last time I looked into it you can't just drive any vehicle into the city each day in Paris.

Bring more people from where? Somewhere the train doesn't go? If you want passenger capacity, why not drive a minivan?

So a bigger and with much higher bonnet than SUV? what's the point then?

A minivan has a higher hood than an SUV? I've never actually measured but it sure feels like a Chevy Suburban (classic SUV) is quite a bit higher than a Toyota Sienna (our family's family vehicle).

Just checking Google for clearance heights - looks like Siennas are about 6 inches shorter than a Suburban.

I was picturing more like VW ID buzz

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