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The HN headline ("How to Install Windows 11 On A Device That Does Not Meet Windows 11 Requirements") is editorialized and does not reflect the article.

The correct headline is "Ways to install Windows 11". The article repeatedly emphasizes that Microsoft does not recommend installing Windows 11 on systems that do not meet their suggested minimum requirements.

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There is a page with the title used: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windo...

Or close enough: "Installing Windows 11 on devices that don't meet minimum system requirements", it is linked in submitted page, it also contains the caution.

Matches the last half well but still a completely different first half meaning. You can't just take any titles on a site, mash them together based on your takeaway, and call that the original title.

HN editorializes titles all the time.... :-0 In this case I did it to clarify the relevancy of the article. Would you see a title "Ways to install Windows 11" and then ask what is relevance to the HN audience?

The main point is that it's possible, per this official Microsoft document, to bypass the check for TPM 2.0 (at least TPM 1.2 is required) and the CPU family and model.

Help avoid the Microsoft induced eWaste.

"Windows 11 Upgrade Will Put 240M Computers On The Brink Of Becoming E-Waste" - https://www.benzinga.com/news/23/12/36358322/windows-11-upgr...

From the HN Guidelines:

>Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Not followed for example here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38668237

>unless it is misleading or linkbait

And from the linked thread's source:

>Is there a black hole in the center of the Sun?

>There is probably not a black hole in the center of the sun.

Classic clickbait.

You do realize your comment, is endorsing changing the title of a research paper published by respected researchers of the Department of Physics by Illinois State University, Yale University and the Max Planck Institute for Astrophysics?

What is next? For example have you heard about this paper?

"Attention is all you need" ? - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.03762.pdf

Atrocious title! And what about

"Everybody Dance Now" - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1808.07371.pdf

Even worst...

If you have a problem with the guidelines you can take it up with dang.

As it stands, the guidelines state do not editorialize unless it's misleading or linkbait.

The original headline for the article linked here is "Ways to install Windows 11", which is neither misleading nor clickbait/linkbait.

>respected researchers

Clickbait is clickbait, whether it comes from bearded wisemen or the drunk bloke sleeping across the street.

"Ways to install Windows 11" would tell nothing of why would be worthwhile to submit.

>Please don't do things to make titles stand out, like using uppercase or exclamation points, or saying how great an article is. It's implicit in submitting something that you think it's important.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

TL;DR of this whole saga is Don't Editorialize.

This title wasn't editorializing, it wasn't an opinion, it is just more specific.

It's injecting one's opinion of what is important about the article into the title. This misrepresents the article and puts the personal view of the poster in a favoured position it doesn't merit. One of the most basic not-allowed things in HN titles.

What opinion is expressed by the title below?

"How to install Windows 11 on a device that does not meet Windows 11 requirements"

I mentioned it in the comment and it's all over the giant list of moderator commentary about this - it's your opinion about what's important in the piece. You don't get to put that in HN titles.

Isn't any title is an 'opinion' of what is important about an article?

Yes but that's the opinion of the people involved in making the article not, as critic C. Bowdre put it, any geek off the street. I'm not sure I understand what about this pretty settled HN (and other forum) practice with a straightforward rationale appears so perplexing.

Hacker news is swamped with clickbait, I appreciate anyone trying to clean it up. Unfortunately people seems to love it and the short title lengths seem designed for it.

I'm not sure how this is related to the questions raised in this thread. And you can email bad titles in and they get fixed. Titles get fixed on many articles every single day.

This was a bad title that got fixed.

Not by HNs long-standing rules of titlery, as I’ve explained and you can also see from the years of mod commentary linked above.

That would mean that any clickbait title that has detail added is somehow wrong and bad by your definition.

No because clickbait titles should be changed on submssion by a subtitle or other representative language from the article. That's also in the site guidelines and numerous moderation comments.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

I agree the rules can be a bit confusing but, in general, if you feel something needs the title edited it's probably better to just use a different source instead of put your wording onto it. Alternatively, specifically for titles which you don't think need to be edited because they are clickbaity, you can always make a text comment with what you feel the main point is/your reasoning behind posting the document. That way your takeaway on the article is on equal footing with anyone else's.

HN editorializes titles all the time.... :-0 In this case I did it to clarify the relevancy of the article.

I think you are conflating editing with editorializing which are not the same thing. Picking out what you think is important in the article and putting it in the title is editorializing and explicitly disallowed on HN because it puts your commentary above everyone else's. If you want to say what's important about the article, write a comment about it.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

This actually has that headline : https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windo...

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