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>Comparing Trevor Milton to Elon Musk is also wild.

Why is it "wild"?

Milton is going to prison for, basically, lying about the functionality of their truck. It didn't work like he claimed it did, when he claimed it did. But it's not like they don't have a real truck or a real business; they are testing vehicles right now. Nikola still exists. They have trucks on the road.

So why is that such a stretch to compare things he claimed to things Tesla has claimed? You can perhaps argue about the scale or severity of the different claims, but I'd say exaggerated range claims and full-self-driving are also pretty bad:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-ba...

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Milton was sentenced to jail because he was found guilty of one count of securities fraud and two counts of wire fraud. That's why.

Also, from your linked article:

"One of the experts, [Gregory Pannone], co-authored a study of 21 different brands of electric vehicles, published in April by SAE International, an engineering organization. The research found that, on average, the cars fell short of their advertised ranges by 12.5% in highway driving. The study did not name the brands tested.."

> The study did not name the brands tested..

I was curious why that is. So I did some digging and found this very reassuring info. I'm sure there's no bias right?

[Gregory Pannone]

-Sr. Engineer General Motors

- Engineer/Intern Engineer/Intern BP p.l.c. British multinational oil and gas

- FCA Fiat Chrysler Automobiles logo Head of Fuel Economy, Performance, and P/T Synthesis Chrysler LLC

https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregory-pannone-3a414610/

>Milton was sentenced to jail because he was found guilty of one count of securities fraud and two counts of wire fraud. That's why.

Yes, those were the crimes he was convicted of. What's your point?

It's because he lied about the operability of the truck and it cost investors money.

>I'm sure there's no bias right?

Yes, it's all a big conspiracy. Tesla zealots are so thick.

> Tesla zealots are so thick.

What a very nice and compelling ad hominem argument. It's clear that you're very uninformed.

> Yes, it's all a big conspiracy

Questioning about a possible bias is conspiracy talk now? What ever happened to healthy discourse? It seems the level of your knowledge does not go beyond the news headlines.

>Questioning about a possible bias is conspiracy talk now? What ever happened to healthy discourse? It seems the level of your knowledge does not go beyond the news headlines.

Buddy, you started this thread calling me "intellectually dishonest", so don't start crying about "healthy discourse" now.

But sure, lay it out for us: you think that the author of the study is biased. So, what does that mean? Did he fabricate the data? What exactly are you implying?

> Buddy, you started this thread calling me "intellectually dishonest".

Because you were and it must have struck a nerve. :)

> So don't start crying about "healthy discourse" now.

But I thought "itsoktocry" is that not true anymore?

Was Milton’s securities fraud something like a claim that he had “funding secured” for a private buyout of the company on an official company communication medium when he knew he did not? (That’s something that Musk did.)

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