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as long as Visual Studio is required with Windows, no thank you:

https://crystal-lang.org/install/on_windows

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It only requires vs build tools which is likely for the linker. Other languages like rust does the same.

Rust has a GNU option for Windows:

https://forge.rust-lang.org/infra/other-installation-methods...

If you’re already running windows, why do you need the linker to be GNU?

because the GNU linker is like a 100 MB download, and Visual Studio is like 10 GB

And that's an issue because ...?

would you rather pay $1 for a soda drink, or $100?

Where do you pay $1 for 10 GB, let alone $100?

whoosh

The best tooling for each OS is the one from the OS vendor themselves.

[citation needed]

That was my citation, you're welcomed.

I see you dont know what citations are

As per Oxford Learner's Dictionaries,

- words or lines taken from a book or a speech

- an official statement about something special that somebody has done, especially about acts of courage in a war

- an act of citing or being cited

- an order to appear in court

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/englis...

Consider I am citing myself.

folks, lets go ahead and quote this user again:

> The best tooling for each OS is the one from the OS vendor themselves.

and here is their defense of that position:

> As per Oxford Learner's Dictionaries

because yes, the dictionary is the correct place to find information about operating systems. LOL

Common sense

I see you have never used Visual Studio

Used VS since 2001. Then started developing on Linux and Mac, which I prefer. But here you don't need the full VS installation, only the build tools and Windows 10 SDK, and apparently it can be installed by a script. It's a non issue. Otherwise use WSL then you won't need VS https://crystal-lang.org/install/on_wsl/

the fact that you're even suggesting WSL shows how out of touch you are with current Windows development.

It's an option on Windows that avoids Visual Studio. If you don't like it then don't use it.

Depends on your definition of "best". Visual Studio has lots of great features, but it is sluggish and bloated. I cringe everytime I need to use it.

Also, the MSVC compiler itself often produces much worse code than clang or gcc. I am regularly astonished by its stupidity.

Except GCC and clang need a UNIX like help to even target Windows, let alone everything else expected from Windows applications across the board.

So I install Msys2 instead of Visual Studio. What's the big deal?

> let alone everything else expected from Windows applications across the board.

For example?

Drivers, UWP/WinRT as two examples.

Fair enough. But for typical C++ GUI desktop apps I will always prefer Qt + Msys2 over anything Microsoft has to offer.

no, they dont:

https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw

https://packages.msys2.org/base/mingw-w64-gcc

https://andrewkelley.me/post/zig-cc-powerful-drop-in-replace...

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