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What you’re saying isn’t actually true though. Sufficiently popular apps could force users to use alternative methods.

If an app has sufficient popularity to force people off of App Store, it probably isn't buggy/low quality.

Maybe, but that's a very limited collection of apps, and I would imagine that such sufficiently popular and well-known apps would actually have a reputation to uphold and proper technical support to ensure that installation is properly verified and that their apps don't contain viruses. Maybe more surveillance might get through, but the solution to that is to have a better sandboxing and permissions model that prevents unwanted data collection by default, since app sandboxing isn't possible to get around by just having your app be downloaded from somewhere else, since it all still has to run on the same phone.

Do you think that meta will give up their presence on the official app store in order to move to a unofficial app store? Because apple will not allow apps on apple app store if they appear on unofficial, i have no data, but I suspect they will not

I suspect they will offer different apps. The official one on the app store becomes limited or doesn't change at all. The app released via other stores will be Zuck's wet dream of a Hoover of all your things. There will be no limitations on tracking. There will be no limitations on what parts of the system can be accessed. Even if the OS puts up road blocks, Zuck will just ask the user for permission and they will all be granted. Even if it is something the official app store would ban from publishing if they were accessed.

Do you honestly believe they wouldn't? If so, I have a bridge for sale

We just have to see it, I have a doubt that apple will be fooled by meta calling whatsapp in a different way, but no certainty, most recently some people were convinced that apple had no solution but allow a unofficial android app on iMessage, and we saw what happened, something tells me theyre harder to fool than it seems

how would releasing an app on a 3rd party app store that Apple has no control over be "fooling" Apple? I'm suggesting theZuck continues releasing apps on the Apple store just like now playing by whatever rules the app store comes with. At the same time, releasing a different app on 3rd party stores that does the things that Apple prevents. What are you confused by to think they are trying to fool Apple?

They clearly said they wouldn't allow apps that appear on third party stores to be on official apple app store. I'd suspect they would monitor them, scrape them, and see. But the only fact is that they won't allow them to be on both stores, the how is speculation, but there are many tools to ensure that

> They clearly said they wouldn't allow apps that appear on third party stores to be on official apple app store.

I seriously doubt that the EU would allow such behavior.

This hasn't happened on Android. Amazon tried.

What about Fortnite?

Fortnite isn't available on iOS at all. It doesn't represent an app that would be in the app store if another option weren't available.

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