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Last time I installed Windows 11, I found that I could not skip the 'use a Microsoft account as your local account' that Microsoft really encourages. In anger I spammed the back and forward button ~5 times.

Suddenly, the option to setup Windows 11 with a local account appeared.

Microsoft has lost whatever initial magic helped them make a good OS, it's all corporatism now.

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I think you can also just put in a fake Microsoft account (or a valid account but incorrect password), and after checking that the credentials are no good, the setup wizard will give you the option to create a local account.

Also see u/BuildTheRobots' helpful note to my similar comment the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39089364#39092697

> Microsoft has lost whatever initial magic helped them make a good OS, it's all corporatism now.

I never heard anyone that described Windows as a good OS. It was always a Platform for Microsoft Office or Games. MacOS was always the good OS.

Not true, all the mac operating systems before OSX were flaming bags of dog shit. Win 2000 was significantly better than any of them

> Not true 20 years ago.

Okay, but not really relevant?

I know quite a few people that genuinely like MacOS or desktop linux. Yet, for Windows 11 at best I hear "it runs my software and is mostly okay (except for the ads, shitty updates,..)" or "I don't like macs".

I suggest you read the comment I was replying to

Still are. I can't believe how everyone complains about MS's setup flow but gives apple an easy ok to their iCloud nagging for which you need to edit globalPreferences to disable it. Or the messed up mouse acceleration, or scroll wheel acceleration, or the forced impossible to disable animations, or the terrible handling of full screen applications in combination with three screens(though ig this isn't an issue for modern Mac users, you can't even have three screens anymore).

Windows in turn has superior tiling, you can disable animations and you can disable OneDrive very easily. Borderless full-screen applications let you drag others across them and there's a lot more you can customize

You're absolutely correct. Apple pushes AppleID much harder than MS pushes accounts.

> MacOS was always the good OS.

Emphasis, unfortunately, on _was_. From 2019 (and I have seen no improvement since, au contraire):

https://tidbits.com/2019/10/21/six-reasons-why-ios-13-and-ca...

>MacOS was always the good OS.

Classic MacOS was terrible, no protected memory no access controls and no virtual memory until 7. Windows NT already had that. A good "personal" system at that time was NeXTSTEP. And for workstation let's not forget OpenVMS and all the other Unix's like Irix, Solaris etc.

MacOS has never even been decent in my viewing and everyone i know. It's not even in the running, as if only linux and windows even exist.

I understand you might have a different view if you are embedded in the apple ecosystem

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