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Comment by josefresco | Hacker News Reader

Look at the insanely huge sales of the RAV4 hybrid. Americans don't buy small cars, we buy SUV/CUVs and Toyota is the king.

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Didn't the Model Y outsell the RAV4 in 2023? I guess there are estimates that go both ways on that, but nobody really disputes that the RAV4 and Model Y are neck-and-neck. Would be nice if Tesla released actual numbers.

Doesn't look like it.

4. Toyota RAV4 (434,943 units sold)

5. Tesla Model Y (385,900 units sold, estimated)

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars...

This source says the Model Y sold 403,897 (still behind the RAV4) https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-am...

This source says Model Y sales were 394,497: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-...

And this source says Model Y was #2 and RAV4 #3.

https://wolfstreet.com/2023/12/07/tesla-model-y-is-2-us-best...

My point stands, Model Y sales are matching RAV4 sales, for all practical purposes. And it happened in the space of a couple years. Toyota sells a lot of cars, but they're not the undisputed king of the hill.

Also, not all RAV4s are hybrids. Model Y definitely outsold RAV4 hybrids. Though hybrids aren't any kind of EV (unless they are plug-in), so that's moot.

Why are we restricting ourselves to Rav4's? Toyota sells well over 2 million EV's per year, far more than all Teslas.

And yes, HEV's are EV's the same way BEV's are.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1181404/alternative-sale...

The vast majority of Toyota hybrids cannot be powered by electricity from the grid. I'd say that's a significant difference.

why do these have to be estimated? I get that Tesla might not be releasing the numbers, but these cars have to be registered, right? The registration numbers seems like it should more accurate as actual owners.

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