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Linkedin is down? Does this mean I went be able to get cold approaches from people kindly inviting me to follow their company? I won't get recruitment consultants I never heard of telling me they have all the best candidates in my area? I won't get sales people from Saas companies offering me a 'mutually beneficial' chance to join their network? How will people peddle their pithy advice on 'leadership', while getting high fives from all the other recruiters and management consultants, most of whom seem to be in their early 20's and telling me what I need?

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I’m sorry, I am unable to comprehend anything you wrote because it’s missing emojis, paragraphs breaks after each sentence, a link to your company’s website, and a poignant takeaway about what resilience in the world of business means.

And a photo of a golden retriever

This part I can get behind, a photo of a cute dog never fails to make me smile, no matter how terrible of a mood I'm in!

I can't understand the words of anyone that doesn't get up at 3 AM to take an ice bath.

What about a recruiter who doubles as a "thought-leader / consultant / entrepreneur / father" in their by-line?

Sadly, there aren't any other reasonable options with regards to job searches and candidate advertising than LinkedIn.

What are you talking about?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39562986

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39562984

In my last search I used Hacker News for about 90% of my applications. It worked a lot better because I usually directly interacted with hiring managers.

You missed "visionary". You gotta start with that.

For all the shade we can put on cold outreaches on LinkedIn, it's not very spammy.

In contrast, I put my resume on a job board a few years ago, and I still get a lot of recruiter spam to that email.

Recruiter spam: The recruiter has never read my resume and there's no way I'd be interested or qualified for the job. I suspect the recruiter is just using some kind of automated AI / screening tool.

Not very spammy? LinkedIn wrote the book on spam.

> suspect the recruiter is just using some kind of automated AI / screening tool.

I doubt it. If a human hadn't read your profile, how could they possibly be so impressed by your background?

> For all the shade we can put on cold outreaches on LinkedIn, it's not very spammy.

By volume? Yeh, doesn't even make the top 10. But why (opposite of) quality? Occasionally, my email will have something interesting within it, sometimes my phone rings and it's not trying to get me to renew the warranty on my car, and even Facebook will sometimes have a kernel of corn in what is otherwise a turd of a feed. My skin starts crawling like there are grifters slithering up behind me though, when it's Linkedin.

In all my covering letters I finish with: "I do not maintain any social media presence, including LinkedIn, so if you have any questions please reach out to me directly."

You could just not use LinkedIn. I consider that a feature when hiring people.

Oh, you won’t waste a bunch of time “cultivating your network” or whatever? You won’t advertise to phishers how our company is laid out? You aren’t addicted to yet another social network? All pros.

I certainly agree, and use a lack of social media presence as a positive signal for hiring.

However, it was a bit of a battle to convince the other stakeholders in the company that it should be viewed positively instead of negatively. And this is at a security company, where we have a whole open-source intelligence department!

I think you and I are in the vast, vast minority.

Aren't you going to miss the hustle culture and the anecdotes?

With the state of market as we have now it's very smart to be nice to recruters and so they will give you more and better chances. It's also a good thing to do regardless of the market.

Not disputing the fact, that linkedin is full of bullshit of course.

Seriously, how did it get to this?

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