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As an Apple customer in the EU, I'm staying on iOS 17.3 until they rewrite 17.4 4-5 times based on how many times they get fined again for malicious compliance.

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Realistically, if Apple is determined to fight this, it may drag on for years.

Apple could end up funding the EU's Russia defence from just the fines alone. ;)

Unfortunately fines are a net zero from the EU's perspective, as fines are simply deducted from the EU contributions paid by its members.

EU contributions to what, Apple?

They're probably meaning the (annual?) EU funding contributions from its member states. ie Germany, France, etc.

Just switch to Android, why take this kind of user hostility from Apple?

For the same reason I don't switch to Windows: the alternatives are even worse.

Apple isn't the best, no one deserves "best" in desktop and mobile operating systems, but it's the least bad.

In mobiles we basically have a duopoly, and the only ones who are likely to care about the customer's interests are regulators. Neither Apple nor Google have any incentive because there is no 3rd option.

> Apple nor Google have any incentive because there is no 3rd option.

Uh. Apple and Google compete with each other. Why would they need a 3rd option for incentive?

Because they're both shit in different ways.

If there were 1-2-3 more options, that would give them incentives to be less shit overall.

> Apple isn't the best, no one deserves "best" in desktop and mobile operating systems, but it's the least bad.

MacOS and iOS are the most limited in terms of customizability (personalization) and freedom for developing software for them. As much as that might surprise you, many people care about that and can't stand to use Apple operating systems because of it.

What should I do if I have both and want both to operate the way I want because I paid for them? Just like I paid for a Macbook and a Surface and can install anything on both at my will

> What should I do if I have both

Already messed up. Shouldn't buy things you don't approve of.

Or different things should be regulated. You can say the same about drug/alcohol market but somehow these are regulated, why not doing regulations for smartphones/os-es?

"Always wait for a point release". It seems for this we need to wait for the _next_ point release. It should become clearer for EU side of the movement also - it is far from certain that Apple to be the one f*cked.

I don't trust the EU much to fix the things that I personally care about indeed.

Namely: unrestricted access for new, small entrants. Less restrictions on utilities. Stuff like that.

My favourite pet example: I want DaisyDisk for iOS. What does Cook need threatening with to allow that?

That's actually exactly what the DMA is supposed to solve. So maybe you just need to wait.

I don't know about my pet. It would need full storage access, and even I agree that keeping apps separate from each other is a good idea, security wise. I don't see how you can argue against that when you're considering monopoly issues.

On the other hand, Apple not allowing apps not approved by them and not allowing manual single app installs without going through their app store or some other app store does look to me like a monopoly issue.

Are you sure you want iOS? Perhaps you want Android?

Sounds like you just want the iPhone hardware, but not the spirit of the OS that contributed to what it is. Adding manual disk management makes more like running Windows XP than a smooth "mostly just works" phone.

Well, if Apple's space usage report would be more detailed and made sense, maybe I wouldn't need it.

But... "Other" ?

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