Part of me is hopefully there's a quieter future ahead, but I suspect motorcycle drivers will be the last holdouts and they make most of the noise anyway.
What I'm looking forward to is (what I hope will be) an explosion of creativity in EV design. Once the base platforms are there for 3rd parties to build on and people don't care about squeezing out every last mile of range (because it doesn't matter), cheaper and more fun cars will emerge.
I’m hoping for a small sub 30k car with decent handling and 320+ miles of EPA range fairly soon. But I suspect that would seriously hurt Model 3 sales so I doubt Tesla’s going down that route anytime soon.
And prices will continue to steadily drop all year. I'm fairly sure Tesla will prefer to sacrifice margin to maintain volume.
That’s the price people are generally using for comparisons. If they built a car without any self driving hardware or gimmicks like electronically controlled vents, and didn’t charge a large premium for larger batteries they could get much closer, but that’s not their business model.
And people don't compare prices with destination fees. Perhaps they should, but they generally don't. And your refusal to include the rebate indicates to me that you're more interested in scoring Internet points by taking shots at Tesla than you are at actually purchasing a Tesla for under $30k.
Useful if you make to much money for the federal tax credit and don’t mind a used car, but we are still talking $43k + fees and taxes.
On the other hand if you get a car that’s actually 30k then you may or may not qualify for a tax credit on top of that price. But at minimum it’s going to be far cheaper.
The company isn’t simply applying a discount for no reason otherwise they would just ship one out when someone orders a normal car with the same specs.
inventory used to be cancelled orders and fairly scarce. Now it's more.
Not too many. Honestly, they don't sound that great, sort of like a loud R/C car.
One friend got a zero recently. He told me it goes 0-60 under 2 seconds, which I don't know if is is BS or not.
But most of these motorcycles are "off-brand", even zero had not-great tires.
Even Harley had a bike, but I don't think it sold well.
Now that the major japanese/etc brands are paying attention to electric bikes, I think the market might expand.
and I thought telsa was going to make a 4-wheeler.
Big and expensive motorcycles are more about the badge/history/"character" than they are about function.
You have to move down the value chain to find opportunities for new entrants where function plays a bigger role in the purchasing decision.
Not to mention bikes that appeal to and are affordable by riders that don't already have that badge affiliation.
Unlike most people's relationship with their car a motorcycle is inherently a more emotional connection because the experience is much more visceral. Doubly so at the expensive end where you have big cruiser daddy's on their Harley's or middle aged men buying a Ducati or trying to be "adventurous" on their BMW GSA. These buyers all bought those bikes because of the emotion they evoke but also what other people think when they see that bike.
IMO electric needs to conquer scooters first. Then ship a bike like the NC750X which is an astoundingly boring but perfect bike for commuting. These are the areas without all that inertia to overcome and where you can prove out the power plant and batteries with riders that will appreciate the functional benefit without belittling the sound and lack of character etc.
I currently ride a CB500X if anything riders like me are the best bet for sales after the NC750X crowd. I have my bike configured as a mini-tourer with pannier bags, top box etc. I get great range of around 450kms per tank (around 280 miles) which for the long distance trips it's set-up for is adequate. Considering I got my bike used for less than $3k and maintenance on it is less than $200/yr it's a hard sell to move to electric from a financial perspective. For a brand new bike I don't think I could justify more than $10k USD for something that can do the same thing and unless it was made by Honda or Yamaha I would be making a huge sacrifice in terms of dealership network, reputation for reliability and resale value.
Or western countries such as the US and AU need to adopt more scooter use perhaps?
Asian countries have heavy scooter use and electric scooters already have more than 10% of that market in countries such as Taiwain with numbers steadily climbing.
https://cleantechnica.com/2023/01/11/gogoro-batteries-power-...
Hot Battery swap for Scooters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpOQpwKeSnI
I have lived in Thailand since though and yet to see more than a handful of electric scooters here.
In this market it would need to be Honda or Yamaha to take the first step.
Acceleration is force divided by mass, so theoretical maximum the DSR/X can accelerate at 11.91 m/s^2, or 2.25 seconds 0 to 60. That's assuming absolutely no power losses, that it sustains peak torque throughout the entire run, that the rider has 0 kilograms of mass, and that there's no risk of a wheelie.
I dunno, but I'd lean towards either BSing or hasn't actually taken a measurement with accurate equipment.
Maybe the point is to make it sound like you're working really hard but not actually go fast, I've kinda checked out of car culture.
well -- with all due respect -- maybe leave comments like the following to people who are into cars. 6.0-7.0 0-60 hasn't been quick for 30+ years.
>it'll outrun all but the hottest of rods that car to rev their engine at a stoplight.
a 1992 Acura Legend will run a 7.6, a BMW 530i from 05 will run a 6.7, a 1999 Ford Mustang will run a 5.4.
Not that it matters in the very least bit, i'm glad you're happy with the car -- just don't bother with the 'quickness' comparisons.
Decibel comparisons? go wild.
food for thought : a sibling has a very loud modified Honda that is obnoxious as hell. He drives slowly everywhere he goes , but by every indication all the traffic near him thinks that they're in a race with him just by virtue of his car being so damn loud as if it were racing. Maybe something similar?
We were neck&neck but then he had to shift out of first.
0-60 is one measure but in city driving the 0-30 is even more relevant.
Sadly, I doubt that switching to EVs will fix that.
I don't understand people who put straight pipes on a Jeep Wrangler with a V6. I just don't. I have a Jeep Wrangler with a V6 and the engine sounds fine with the stock exhaust - in fact with the JLs I think that's the ONLY way they sound good. I think every third party wrangler exhaust sounds awful.