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That’s a very tricky comparison at best, 3 gens up but 2 product lines down. Comparing 1060 to 4060, or 1080 to 4080 might be more fair, even accounting for the skew in product lines.

I’m not sure how you’re doing the price comparison. 1080ti launched at $699 (with inflation that’s $870 today). The 4060ti launched at $399. Why does that seem the same to you?

We’re in a ray tracing thread and for ray tracing, there’s no contest, the 4060ti wins there by a long way.

UserBench says today the 4060ti is 17% faster for 20% lower price today, which is about 33% better perf per dollar… which interestingly tends to match their user score and sentiment.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4060-Ti-vs-...

Also worth noting that some old games are bottlenecked on the software, not on the GPU, so it’s not surprising to find a game that was around for the 1080 or before and doesn’t get any better with more modern GPUs. Comparing the 1080 to the 4080, fp32 perf went up ~5x, and due to Amdahl’s law, game benchmarks tend to see more like ~3x in overall system perf.

> Comparing ... might be more fair,

I don't make purchasing decisions based on what's 'fair', I look at what capabilities I have, what I lack, and what my budget is.

> Why does that seem the same to you?

Exchange rate. But you make a valid point that I should also factor in inflation.

> We’re in a ray tracing thread and for ray tracing, there’s no contest, the 4060ti wins there by a long way.

It wins in the sense that it can do ray tracing while the 1080Ti cannot, but based on my understanding, the xx60-tier cards aren't viable for raytracing at 60fps without DLSS anyway, and I'm still not convinced I want to consider DLSS performance to be the number I care about in my purchasing decisions.

> UserBench says today the 4060ti is 17% faster for 20% lower price today,

The most important question I look at is "what games can I run at what resolution" and I don't think there's a single game I can get acceptable performance at 4K on a 4060Ti or even a 4070, that I can't get acceptable 4K performance on a 1080Ti. There are probably a couple that I could run at 1080p that I have to run at 720p currently. I'm not using a variable/high refresh rate monitor and i'm not playing competitive shooters.

Nvidia doesn’t control the exchange rate, so if it really changed by 2x, then everything you said above applies to AMD or any other GPU company too. When comparing today’s prices for both GPUs, the exchange rate is irrelevant since it’s the same for both.

> I don’t think there’s a single game I can get acceptable performance at 4K on a 4060Ti or even a 4070, that I can’t get acceptable 4K performance on a 1080Ti.

This is a very different claim than you made above. Yes, all the GPUs since the 1080 can get “acceptable” 4K performance on most games that will run on the 1080 (I assume acceptable means >= 30fps), so that’s not surprising. This is ignoring the game quality settings. The benchmarks you pointed at demonstrate that if the settings have a 4060ti running just barely at 30fps, then the 1080ti will not be able to hit 30fps with the same settings, because the 1080ti is 17% slower.

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