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For me, things started going downhill when he called a diver a "pedo guy" during the cave rescue story. I get it was determined by the court to not fall under defamation, but it just left a sour taste.

He loves to overpromise and underdeliver. As someone who bought FSD on his 2018 M3, it's still not in a state where I feel it can be safely used outside of a highway. I guess it's an issue of credibility here.

Q-Anon promotions: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-qanon-2024-election/

Great replacement theory: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-...

I don't agree with his thoughts on Ukraine / Crimea:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576969255031296000

I'm sure I can conjure more examples where we disagree ideologically or from my POV he's just an asshole, but it's a waste of my time to find even more specific examples and get into a potential flame war over why to hate or not hate him.

The time required to find examples that don't seem like it's from a highly "biased" source is far greater than the person asking simply the question and will most likely not respond in kind.

This will be my only response to the topic and I will not respond any further.

Hope that helps.

QAnon is so obviously a pun/joke on Q rumors, I'm not sure what the outrage is about.

His GRT outlook is quite logical. More illegal immigrants = more votes for particular politicians, more expensive housing, and lower wages. He's been very clear he prefers extremely tight borders for illegal immigrants and hugely open ones for highly qualified legal immigrants. I think the majority of American's would agree with that.

I also disagree with his Ukraine/Crimea thoughts, but it's quite logical from his viewpoint. He sees an increased risk of Nuclear War over Eastern Ukraine as not worth it, and has mentioned that a few times. I'm sure he understands his mortality and time left, and is just thinking on a civilizational level. I will point out the irony in you stating this, when Starlink has been instrumental in the Ukrainian defense.

Again, I haven't seen anything particularly damning.

Illegal immigrants driving up housing prices and Great Replacement Theory are not the same things.

I don't really get the controversy around the so-called Great Replacement Theory.

Europeans have factually ceased to be a majority in the US in the younger generations, and given that humans do die of old age this will surely follow through to the population overall. The demographic trends are driven by factors that factually could be influenced by government policy if there was a will to do so.

If someone is unhappy about this, it's certainly reasonable to disagree with them or to call them a racist or whatever. But the way people talk about this "theory", it's like they think it isn't really happening and that people who do think it's happening are delusional.

Can someone explain this to me?

At least in the US, it is believed by a % of an entire faction that the absence of that government policy you mentioned is intentional, malicious, and designed to create new voters that are in the other faction’s pocket. And so the Great Replacement is a plan, rather than an observation, and this is where I see the controversy. The news here (“news”) is even pushing this narrative (I know this bc I was accosted with it today, in person), though I am not sure they use the terminology.

Illegal immigrants can't vote, have never been able to vote, and there's absolutely no evidence that they've ever voted more than a random one-off that's almost always caught and prosecuted. Lying on your voter registration form is a felony and it's the height of internet addled smooth-brain delusion to insist that vast swaths of illegal immigrants are going to commit felonies that include providing their name and address to vote in an indirect democracy because one of the political parties is marginally less hostile to them.

Illegal immigrants are counted by the census and total population is used to allocate congressional districts. High rates of illegal immigrants in a district therefore increases the voting power of the citizens living there. This allows illegal immigration to distort election results without anyone casting a ballot.

Which is an entirely different issue and not at all what any of the weird culture warriors that hang around on X have claimed is their concern.

So are legal immigrants, along with everybody else.

I can see why Texas is excited to ship folks north.

> there's absolutely no evidence that they've ever voted more than a random one-off that's almost always caught and prosecuted.

To be more precise, the evidence is that non-citizen attempts to vote are somewhere on the order of one vote in ~hundred million. Screwing up voter registration forms is somewhat more common, but people who actually cross reference databases have found that the people who incorrectly mark "I want to be registered to vote" on their drivers license forms don't actually vote, which suggests it's mostly a mistake.

There are issues with the amount of people on voter registration rolls who shouldn't be, but I should also point out that anytime someone claims ridiculously high numbers of potential misvotes, it's because they do coarse-grained database mismatches, and so they'll catch people whose names match. When you do the actual legwork, the voter registration issues go down dramatically, and the principal cause of that is that people aren't correctly unregistered when they move (and people don't attempt to vote in their previous place of residence, so there's very few actual vote attempts!)

In fact, the largest category of illegal vote attempts I believe is felons who try to vote. Because the voter registration system does a poor job of actually working out who is a felon whose right to vote has been revoked.

You did, I'm sure, skip over the multiple accusations of pedophilia to a cave diver, by accident.

Remember when Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked by his gay lover with a hammer? Reality might not remember, but Musk certainly did.

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