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In Germany, your life is not ruined if you go bankrupt and have to pay for the fail you created. Society still gives you shelter, food, healthcare, even if you have lost your luxury. So there is no reason to make wasting resources and harming society simple.

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Germany has limited companies - it's what GmbH's and AG's are for.

I'm not aware of any jurisdiction where "wasting resources and harming society" by having a company with limited liability go bankrupt isn't fairly simple.

Germany, like some other companies in Europe has fairly "high" requirements of share capital, but it's still only 25k Euro.

"Fairly high"?

In the UK it's £1. 25k Euros is ridiculously high!

well, its not harming society, its harming the lender. we obviously want to have protections against people taking advantage, but ultimately its up to the lender to make sure that the borrower has a realistic plan to pay back the loan, at least within whatever risk parameters they are willing to accept. In the end, its a tradeoff, the US has higher new business formation, especially from less well-off members of society, but more of those businesses fail.

When you harm the lender, you raise the rates and fees they charge their non-malfeasant customers. This benefits the wrongdoer while harming society.

Or you incentivice the lender to do better due diligence, and you weed out the less competent lenders?

Maybe it's a bit of both

I could not possibly disagree. But in a world with fewer lenders who have more rigorous qualification practices, are we paying lower rates? Kinda seems like no but we are now in the land of fourth order effects so who is to say.

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