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> they will force all their projects simultaneously onto all their users for absolutely no reason.

That's just not true. Just because a system uses systemd the init system doesn't mean the it is forced to use the other components.

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The reverse is true: Trying to use a component like udev or logind or in the future, run0, will require the use of systemd. Either you use full systemd or you can't get any of the fancy stuff.

Gentoo folks have eudev or seatd but thats an uphill battle.

You can't take OpenRC away from me!

The single beat reason for doing this is to get a coherent complete system. This is what every other person here says.

You can not try to create a large coherent system and then tell people they shouldn't use that particular part. That is totally disingenuous. Systemd is DESIGNED to be an all or nothing deal.

> Systemd is DESIGNED to be an all or nothing deal.

^[Citation needed]

Again and again people in this thread have told me that the great thing about systems is that it delivers integrated tools.

And people are also telling you that tight integration is not a mandate. Having a bunch of stuff designed to work together does not mean that they're tightly coupled and can only work with their specific implementations.

We've all got confirmation bias, the trick is to be aware of it.

This is such a bizarre statement. Of course any system with tight integration demands more precise specifications. Literally systems engineer 101.

This is such an absurd hill to die on.

You aren't making any sense. All of the components of system D are separate programs, and yes they are maintained by the same general project and designed to integrate well with each other, but just because components are designed to integrate well with other components from the same project if they are present, that doesn't remotely mean that all of the components are required. And I mean, the proof is in the pudding, there are plenty of distros that do not use all of the components of systemd. Also, doesn't Linux have a long history of creating integrated suites of programs designed to integrate well with each other and used together? Like GNU?

A lot of people also point out that “integrated” ≠ “mandatory” and that it is not, in fact, an all or nothing deal.

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