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What to be worried about? Technical progress will happen, sometimes by sudden jumps. Some company will become a leader, competitors will catch up after a while.

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"Technical progress" has been destroying our habitat for centuries, causing lots of other species to go extinct. Pretty much the entire planet surface has been 'technically progressed', spreading plastics, climate change and whatnot over the entirety of it.

Are you assuming that this particular "progress" would be relatively innocent?

On the other hand, the same "technical progress" (if we're putting machine learning, deforestation, and mining in the same bag) gave you medicine, which turns many otherwise deadly diseases into inconveniences and allows you to work less than 12 hrs/7 days per week to not die from hunger in a large portion of the world. A few hundred years ago, unless you were born into the lucky 0.01% of the ruling population, working from dawn to sunset was the norm for a lot more people than now.

I'm not assuming that something 10k x better than GPT-4 will be good or bad; I don't know. I was just curious what exactly to be worried about. I think in the current state, LLMs are already advanced enough for bad uses like article generation for SEO, spam, scams, etc., and I wonder if an order of magnitude better model would allow for something worse.

Where did you learn that history?

What do you mean by "better"?

I had a European peasant in the 1600-1700s in mind when I wrote about the amount of work. During the season, they worked all day; off-season, they had "free time" that went into taking care of the household, inventory, etc., so it's still work. Can't quickly find a reliable source in English I could link, so I can be wrong here.

"Better" was referring to what OP wrote in the top comment. I guess 10x faster, 10x longer context, and 100x less prone to hallucinations would make a good "10k x better" than GPT-4.

Sorry, I can't fit that with what you wrote earlier: "12 hrs/7 days per week to not die from hunger".

Those peasants payed taxes, i.e. some of their work was exploited by an army or a priest rather than hunger, and as you mention, they did not work "12 hrs/7 days per week".

Do you have a better example?

This entire line of argument is just pointless.

You probably placed this wrong? I'm not driving a line of argument here.

I mean 6mian. He hand-waved non-data (badly) disguised as historical facts to make a point. Then you came around and asked for actual facts. It's clear you won't get them, because he got nothing to begin with.

Many species went extinct during Earth's history. Evolution requires quite aggressive competition.

The way the habitat got destroyed by humans is stupid because it might put us in danger. You can call me "speciesist" but I do care more for humans rather than for a particular other specie.

So I think progress should be geared towards human species survival and if possible preventing other species extinction. Some of the current developments are a bit too much on the side of "I don't care about anyone's survival" (which is stupid and inefficient).

If other species die, we follow shortly. This anthropocentric view really ignore how much of our food chain exists because of other animals surviving despite human activities.

Evolution is the result of catastrophies and atrocities. You use the word as if it has positive connotations, which I find weird.

How do you come to the conclusion "stupid" rather than evil? Aren't we very aware of the consequences of how we are currently organising human societies, and have been for a long time?

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