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MacOS is pretty clownish, if you think Apple isn’t using your data for advertisers when you use their services on their OS I have a bridge to sell you. MacOS also has things like Gatekeeper that play off of FUD as a security feature. The fact that Apple will gladly send your iCloud backups to the feds as well I wouldn’t call it a platform that is exclusive to modern bs.

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People love to find every any any cracks in Apple. Apple notes right on their site what data they share: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/#accordion-label-5.... If Apple was lying, and sharing any additional data to advertisers, with privacy a pillar of their whole company, people who have uncovered that, and would be breaking news on every single news site. In regards to to "glady" sharing backups to the feds, I assume you mean, "when legally required" like any company, as Apple has been the one notably fighting against law enforcement when possible and fighting for encryption and releasing new options such as, "Advanced Data Protection for iCloud" for those who especially strong security needs who don't want their iCloud data accessible, but ok with the downsides of such security.

to "use" macos and ios you hit Agree on so many agreements that it's hard to even keep track. so i will doubt a single page covers them all.

People like to ignore the fact that Apple has just as much a monopoly as Microsoft and exploits it just as often.

Making your fealty to a monopoly a proud point of personality is a distinctly modern affect.

The cult is impressively strong, any criticism is met with mostly silent passive aggressive response. Regardless of the truth of the criticism.

People love to talk down to you as if the cracks you find don’t matter. Just because Apple discloses that they sell, share, and give access to your data doesn’t mean it’s not bad that they’re doing so.

And as far as “when legally required” that is to cover Apple’s butt when they do it. When legally required reasons can be stretched so thin with modern erosion and national surveillance. They just renewed FISA just got renewed which makes all data technically available when legally required.

Apple only applies enough security to make everyone happy enough to pour money into their bank account, often at the expense of the user and citing that this is best for everyone. It’s not.

All true. The difference is mostly that at least Apple's compromises are more predictable and marginally more buttoned up. Apple is marginally qualitatively better than Windows in the categories of privacy and security. With the single exception of the fact that it is possible to avoid using a personal account for Windows.

That being said, marginal qualitative difference really the story with all possible options except the most locked down, inconvenient, and all but unusable. No one serious thinks that they have privacy because they use a linux distro, for example. No matter which one.

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