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Related: I tried to use Github Codespaces (Visual Studio in cloud) on iPad with a keyboard, using a browser.

It works very well, in theory. There is only a slight deal breaker bug. Safari does not properly support clipboard. So copy-paste does not work. It should be very simple to fix as Chrome, Firefox, do on desktop if Safari would care more about web standards. Also you cannot install any other browser in iPad that would have the required support to use copy-paste.

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Safari does properly support the clipboard. I used it, right here on my phone to copy and paste:

> if Safari would care more about web standards

Which web standard or standards are you referring to exactly?

> Which web standard or standards are you referring to exactly?

To the standard of Safari being considered the new Internet Explorer by the general public, so anything that goes wrong online is automatically Safari's fault

Isn't Chrome closer to IE considering it nearly has unilateral control over web standards?

The last hope for web standards is WebKit on iOS. Or, it was. Now that, for better or worse, Apple is being forced to allow other engines on iOS I expect that'll change quickly.

There was a long period of the where IE was far from dominant, but was used in enough places that supporting it was non-optional for many businesses. It was holding the web back.

I think it's that period of IE that people are referring to when they say Safari is the new IE.

Which is hilarious as that period was only possible due to the previous embrace-extend-extinguish period that preceded it. Which is the state Chrome is in now.

Perhaps, but I think Google still has a much stronger incentive than Apple (or Microsoft) for the web to be a viable platform. I don't think they would allow Chrome to languish the same way IE did. Instead it's more subtle moves like nerfing ad blockers.

Google has been nerfing the entire web and their search engine for many years. The AI slop flood is their doing in many layers.

Here’s a caniuse that compares the latest (experimental or current whichever is newer) versions of Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, iOS.[1]

Some notable features included everywhere but Safari: - SVG Favicons - Custom protocol handling - asm.js - Resource Prefetch

It’s not all bad though. There are features safari has that no one else does: - CSS Filter Functions - CSS Hanging Punctuation - Audio Tracks - Video Tracks - Device Orientation & Motion Events - Theme Color Meta Tags

1: https://caniuse.com/?compare=chrome+128,edge+125,safari+17.6...

I see two mentions of the clipboard on that page and they both indicate full support in Safari. They don’t indicate that for all other browsers. What are you trying to say here?

Can you describe the issue with copy/pasting in Safari? What is not supported exactly?

- Terminal copy-paste

- File tree copy-paste

Other issues include

- Scrolling Jupyter notebooks

It does not help to install as a Progressive Web App, as bugs are still present.

I just tested copy-paste in terminal and file tree, on an iPad, using Github Code spaces, in safari, and it worked fine.

Usually these complainer types have some eccentric setup, e.g. custom keyboard app, content blockers, etc going on then blame the browser.

I am not interested in the issues you have with those webapps. I am asking what are the bugs of Safari's implementation of the Clipboard API, since in my experience there are none (except maybe https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222262 if you want to consider it a bug and not a different interpretation of the specs).

I am not interested in what ticket numbers Safari has. I am interested for the fact that I have $1000+ device and the basic web stuff does not work that works in the other browsers. With the premium price I am paying for Apple, I expect them to produce working software, as much smaller companies like Firefox can do it as well.

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