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I call bullshit. Maybe China has the ability to sell an off-road EV for only $25k, but not Stellantis.

They make plenty of EVs at that pricepoint in Europe (especially France and Romania edit: confused Renault Dacia in Romania and Citroen in Slovakia) and India like the Citroen e-C3 for $13k in India [0].

China isn't the only low cost BEV market. German automakers went to China, American automakers to Mexico, and French+Italian (Stellantis and Renault) automakers to India+Brazil+Romania.

Most likely it's an attempted partnership by Stellantis to work with Mahindra on their Thar EV [1], the same way Toyota, Suzuki, and Maruti Suzuki all use the same EV platform globally.

[0] - https://www.citroen.in/new-ec3

[1] - https://www.mahindraelectricautomobile.com/

>They make plenty of EVs at that pricepoint in Europe (especially France and Romania)

The Dacia EV is made in China, not Romania.

Dacia is Renault. Not Citroen.

And Citroen has no plants in Romania.

Yep! Edited! I confused Citroen and Renault. But the Renault EVs in India are all made in India.

Manufacture. Not sell. Have you seen most of their dealerships? They couldn't sell a car if it was free.

(Oh yes, I'm still salty from that process. Car dealership are all abominations, but Jeep ones hold a special place in that pantheon)

We need to get rid of dealerships ASAP. They provide no value while adding extra costs on now super expensive vehicles all Americans are forced to buy to live normal lives

American here without a super expensive vehicle, but still a pretty normal life.

There are plenty of adequate cars for $5-10k, even with the current used car price insanity.

I agree that dealerships are parasites, but so far it seems like it's pretty easy to avoid dealing with them.

Also an American and the same story. I have owned six "modern" (post 2000) vehicles and none cost more than $5000 and all have had very long and problem free lives with me. The only two vehicles I don't still own is a Dodge van that had an engine issue (owner fault) and a Mitsubishi that my wife's friend wrapped around a pole.

Oh, totally. I've bought all my past cars used, and it was a perfectly servicable experience.

But if you want a new car (first time I ever did that, long story), good god, dealerships are a pox on all our houses. And unless people buy new cars from time to time, you'll run out of used ones at some point ;)

It's honestly easier to buy a car private-sale than through a dealership. I did it last year and it was the least painful process I've ever seen. The seller and I went to my credit union, we both signed paperwork that gave the loan officer the legal right to execute the sale on our behalf, she conducted the sale all herself including the title transfer, I got a car, the seller got a check. Neither of us had anything to do after walking out the door.

I legit don't think I'm ever going through a dealership ever again.

Warranty service?

no chance these incumbent dealers have their fingers deep in politics.

in Seattle companies like Rivian cannot even tell you the price in the retail store due to laws that incumbent dealers pushed through making it illegal know full well that a lack of price will prevent sales.

Tesla is the one exception who was grandfathered in before the law was changed.

Jeep is a brand. Article says nothing about off road capabilities.

That would be an extreme departure from their current lineup:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jeep_vehicles#Current_...

An F1 car is only marginally less off-road capable than Jeep's compact crossovers, "Trail Rated" badge be damned.

Sure, but they're owned by Stellantis, so they can just stick the Jeep badge on an Alfa, for instance.

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