Same thing they’re doing with the general public and search.
Anyone who worked at google during + can see this is the same half hearted type of force feeding that will fail, with the rationalizations to boot.
Disclaimer: I hold google stock but don’t work at google
Certain aspects can be disabled but you cannot entirely remove all AI affordances. It’s force feeding.
It will eventually all be opt-out. This is obvious to anyone who works at google. Again, same as force feeding of gen AI search
I don’t mind optionality, but it can’t be disabled so it’s annoying.
I don't feel it's obvious at all that this will become forced. What would that even mean – you don't get to edit code anymore but can only interact via chat with an AI which edits the code for you? I think it's obvious that's not going to happen.
Will there be a day when you can't turn off AI suggestions for something? Maybe, but suggestions aren't requirements, no one is forced to use them so at worst they're a minor UI annoyance.
I'm interested to hear why you have such a negative take on it? I don't particularly enjoy most AI implementations in products (not Google specific), but they're almost entirely optional everywhere, and ignoring them really isn't much of a problem.
Not all AI affordances in cider can be disabled. There are plenty of people complaining about this on yaqs and buganizer.
> no one is forced to use them so at worst they're a minor UI annoyance.
This attitude is exactly the problem with Google and is why Google’s AI rollout has been terrible thus far. Luckily the stock is still going up, so whatever I guess.
I agree this may not be how they are used, but honestly, code review is a skill and many people are bad at it. Blindly suggesting things because an AI (or a presubmit) suggests it is bad form regardless of the source. People slam that "please fix" button without looking at what it's asking for, or without reading my detailed explanations of why I'm ignoring a recommendation, etc. This was already a problem and AI isn't changing that.
We can make code review better, but that comes through training reviewers better, not by ruling out AI tools just because they're AI tools.
If a reviewer makes a comment, Critique will create an AI suggestion based on their comment, even if they didn’t explicitly do so (unless they turn off giving AI suggestions on their end, but there’s no way to stop from seeing it from the other).
> not by ruling out AI tools just because they're AI tools.
This was not my point at all.
The point is that Google force feeds AI tools, and makes it difficult to opt out. In many cases it is not possible as shown with GenAI search.
We all have unique circumstances, but I can almost guarantee you that you'll be absurdly happier elsewhere.
Life's short, and no matter how much you save, something can take it away.
Better to start pursuing it now, than after being the sacrificial MI, or after the call from HR asking you to chill because a VP got upset and had lackeys reverse engineer your identity.
Well, that's easy for you to say. People have family to feed, right?
Thanks for your insightful contribution - I read the post again and found this right after what you found, like, right after. I hope this helps clarify
Guarantee with what? Personal money? I know people who have more than 3+ years of experience having trouble with getting an offer after months of searching these days. What can you offer to guarantee the "happiness" "elsewhere"?
Such a ridiculous, out of touch comment.
Optional. I'll bet.
As far as being non-optional: a code owner could very much refuse to approve your change until it conforms to their standards for their code base.
ML code suggestions at Google do not inspire that high level of confidence in me today, but I have no reason for thinking that will always be the case.
Also I would say that automatic formatters weren't popular until the mid 2010s from what I've experienced, despite being technically possible since pretty much the advent of programming. I even remember having to push hard for adoption of them in ~2018. Even if the AI tools were at the level (and they're definitely not yet, any of them), it could easily take a decade for it to become the norm or for it to be mandated.
It does look like there's an auto-installed cider extension, which is fine, the worst case for this stuff is "it's in my autocomplete list" -- that's fine!