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I don't think the existence of Wayland means X11 is deprecated. Lots of people (including myself) would prefer the perfectly working X11 than the feature-incomplete backward-incompatible "modern" wayland

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I haven't yet seen any compelling reason to move off of X11. It's been years since I've checked - what's the current state of the art ?

> what's the current state of the art ?

Wayland is going to make 2024 the year of Linux on the Desktop!

Any day now...

Yeah, but it is slowly getting better.

Not advocating for 2024 (or 2025) but I still think someday it will, having seen multiple usability and feature improvements. (Not only talking about wayland here)

I thought it was already the year of Linux on the Desktop??

Jokes aside if you can avoid anti-cheats (rootkits) DXVK makes a lot of Windows workflows very accessible on Linux.

For me, the year of Linux on the Desktop was '94. It's been my main desktop at home ever since, and for wor as well the majority of time - but with some obnoxious detours.

> DXVK makes a lot of Windows workflows very accessible on Linux.

And it has achieved that with X11.

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope is the one actually competent wayland WM.

Noticeably it doesn't export Wayland to applications running underneath unless you enable an experimental flag, and half the reason for its existence is that it can be entirely bypassed by related Vulkan layer extension.

And it works great as a standalone X11 server too.

It's deprecated by the people who wrote it, and AFAIK no-one else has taken up the task of maintaining it. Doesn't mean you can't use it (I still use it still, thanks to said breakage), but it's not exactly thriving.

It's still seeing regular releases. It's split into modules now, but the xorg-server module last had a release in April, I think, with multiple contributors, and at least two people are issuing release announcements.

Maybe I'll consider Wayland again in a few years (though, who knows, by then maybe I'll have fallen for the temptation to write my own X server too...), but for now, Xorg works, receiving fixes, and doesn't require me to change anything else in my workflow for no good reason.

> It's still seeing regular releases.

With very limited scope. There's already hardware out there that will likely never be properly supported by Xorg.

Though Xwayland - and hence a big chunk of Xorg - will, of course, still live a long life.

If that affects me one day, maybe I'll care about that. I doubt that'll be a concern until sometimes next decade at the earliest for my use.

Unfortunately Wayland means increased fragmentation in the hw support, not less :(

Considering that hardware vendors are typically writing and upstreaming their own drivers, I don't see how that could be.

Xorg Foundation are not the people who wrote X, they are the last in a long line of maintainers.

Always an odd argument? Sometimes software is just finished.

Shoutout to Openbox

This is false. Xorg is being actively maintained, and its git repos are constantly receiving new commits.

Even funnier, I have a bunch of rando computers and servers, some with friends and family with different distros...and at any given time, I'm not sure which I'm using.

(Which I suppose means that Wayland has matured a lot..finally, but still)

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