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this is already an established principle in other engineering fields. If a civil engineer screws up and a building collapses, both that engineer and the engineering firm are liable.

Why should the software industry be any different?

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When I was working in a (non-software) engineering role, when I raised a technical concern it was taken seriously. As a software engineer, when I raise a technical concern it is brushed off and it I push it then my job is at risk.

because software developers aren't engineers? -- elephant in the room.

huh thats strange because I have a BSE and graduated from engineering school. Sure the history major bootcamp grads arent real engineers and we need to weed them out of the industry but there are some of us who are actually real engineers

I think the issue isn't so much the programmers who aren't engineers as it is the managers who don't treat programmers like engineers.

Some call themselves Hackers, they love to bypass processes.

And some call themselves code monkeys, they know how to follow orders, but have no incentives at all to think by themselves for proper security.

Only a tiny fraction call themselves engineers.

I favor non-licensed free professions, but if you're free you should be able to follow best practices and be able to think for yourself.

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