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who gives a shit about disney? We are talking about AI. Just don't train on the script of little mermaid, not the end of the world.

Elsevier on the other hand. Same deal as ever, if you want knowledge, pay for it. Writers deserve food on the table, and have the right to have control over who sees their work for economic or strategic reasons.

No one owes you anything

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Elsevier is a scientific publisher which doesn't pay writers at all.

Public money paid the researchers, results should be free.

There is already a mandate that publicly funded research will be open access going forward (in the US). There are loopholes though, that I exist will be used just because it’s cheaper and quicker to do so. There’s also plenty of research published that is not publicly funded.

I agree the results should be free for personal use, but not for commercial use (such as training paid AIs). Training free AIs is probably fine. Similar to how it's free to use google maps in your project if your use is free to everyone, but you must pay if you're charging people to use it.

Elseiver is a racket. They're making money hand over fist gatekeeping world's research output, while rewarding no one doing actual research or editorial world.

As for the rest, I'm in favor of being able to train AI freely on works of culture. Current copyright regime is suffocating culture already pretty badly, let's not make it worse.

An AI that doesn't know the little mermaid would have trouble interfacing contextually with a society where it’s common knowledge.

who cares

"This product would not work without copyright infringement" is not a good argument.

People and business in fact owe each other things all the time.

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