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> Also Intel VT-x is missing on AMD, so virtualization is busted on AMD hosts

Wouldn’t that work with AMD-V?

Nope. There's only ever been Intel x86 apple computers so x86 mac software is Intel specific. Most things work fine on AMD, but some things don't work without hacks, such as digital audio workstations, some adobe applications etc. And you can't run hypervisors on an AMD hackintosh, the work around for docker is to install an old version of virtualbox and make it emulate instead.

> And you can't run hypervisors on an AMD hackintosh

But isn't the use case here running macOS in Docker on a AMD-based computer for example? So macOS would only see what QEMU presents it.

Or are you talking about virtualization within that container? Then I probably misunderstood.

I was referring to baremetal, but the same applies if virtualized on an AMD host

Yeah I would expect it too. As far as I know, AMD has had better luck with hackintoshes and VMacs.

AMD is far more complicated than Intel based machines in this regard. There's never been an apple computer with an AMD CPU...

I encourage you to check out the OSX-PROXMOX project, which fully supports AMD and is designed to simplify these inside-a-VM setups (though not as much as a Docker setup). https://github.com/luchina-gabriel/OSX-PROXMOX

Also, there are a couple of kext projects that allow you to use AMD graphics, even iGPUs, on Hackintoshes. I have not tested this myself, but there are rumblings you may even be able to get this to work with a Steam Deck.

https://github.com/ChefKissInc/NootedRed

https://github.com/ChefKissInc/NootRX

A lot has changed in the Hackintosh space around AMD of late. I don’t think the automatic pessimism is as warranted as it once was.

Proxmox uses QEMU and boots opencore, so its the same set of problems. It's great to see NootedRed progress but its currently limited to RDNA2 AFAIK and there are lots of weird graphical issues in some configurations. Intel is unquestionably a lot simpler.

i think for the most part the cpus should be ok. they do have different feature sets but the isa is the same. the platform chipset is a different topic i guess. they dont need to share any logic or semantics between amd/intel as those are controlled by drivers rather than having to execute programmer's machine code directly. not 100% on this, but x86_64 between amd and intel does share a lot of overlap right? if you dont go too far into extensions perhaps.

id guess vmxon and vmxoff and vmcs structures etc. will still be the same on both? a lot of security stuff etc. is totally different (amd psp vs intel ME etc.)

(still agree ofc, but just thinking about where these differences are located as the cpus can run very similar or the same code)

It mostly works, but virtualisation (even on baremetal) isn't possible at the moment, some applications need special patches, and weird issues here and there for some situations. AMD hacks are a hobby for a lot of people

thats thata given me quite a new hole to fall into and discover :D

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