If anyone is interested further, I would highly recommend one of Devine’s latest talks, from Strange Loop:

https://100r.co/site/computing_and_sustainability.html

Transcribed and video format. Among other things, they came into computing from a bit of a different direction and ended up building tools and a platform that I’m betting 90% of people in the industry would revere in awe as things beyond their understanding. Truly an inspiration.