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To see a headline were an individual who massiveley donated his private time is suspended from doing so and then wondering before clicking it "is there any chance this doesn't have anything to do with some upper class zealot being offended by how normal people speak" – one might say "Bull's Eye! What are the chances?"

But the only thing I'm surprised of is that I'm not surprised anymore.

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In my experience, the worst people to have in a group project are useful assholes. The people who volunteer a lot of time, but are so miserable to deal with that they are still a net negative when it comes to how many people they scare off or prevent from joining the project because they create such a toxic environment.

I dont know anything about this person or the python politics, maybe he fits in this category, maybe he doesn't. However i strongly feel "donating lots of time" is not an excuse for being an asshole.

It doesn't seem he was an asshole.

That's exactly why CoC exists in these projects. Everyone has to follow the same rules (at least supposedly).

There are lots of discussions about Linus criticizing others in a very harsh, sometimes offensive way, I won't repeat them here. One thing I 100% agree with is that this would create an unhealthy environment that discourages participation and contribution. Many projects adopted CoC exactly because they saw what could happen without one.

Right, that tragic cautionary tale that is Linux

Woe unto us for being subjected to the disaster that supports 90% of all infrastructure. I use Ar--

Are you willing to consider that filtering out the people who are extremely sensitive about having their feelings hurt and being as inclusive as possible is actually a good thing? Linux is a roaring success, after all. Maybe focusing on the tech instead of feelings is the right governance model.

Have you considered the possibility that Linux could have been even more successful if it had a more inclusive environment? I can't see how your elitist "filtering" philosophy is necessarily a good thing.

And of course, my comment that is purely based on facts and about professionalism is now all about sentimental and "feelings".

That's why we can never have a productive discussion on this topic.

P.S. looks I hurt some people's feelings by using this Linux example. Maybe you guys are the ones that are most vulnerable and sensitive.

> how normal people speak

Normal people don't use the N-word in 2024.

Also, being neurodivergent isn't a "get out of jail free" card. Plenty of neurodivergent people know or at least try to not be a jerk.

Edit: I'm wrong. I confused 70s SNL skits that didn't age well - He referenced the S** skit.

Where does he say that?

Did he use the n word anywhere in 2024? I didn't see it until now anywhere. Link? Thank you.

For anyone else wondering, the SNL skit word was apparently "slut", based on other comments here.

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