Who on earth decided that when a foreign citizen is on US soil, selling to them consitutes "exporting"? What if he's a refugee or has dual citizenships?
To me, this mostly sounds like Apple taking US laws too literal/general.
To me, this mostly sounds like Apple taking US laws too literal/general.
Unfortunately not. The relevant definition of "export" is the one at Export Administration Regulations § 734.2(b)(2)(ii):
(2) Export of technology or software. ...:
(i) Any release of technology or software subject to the EAR in a foreign
country; or
(ii) Any release of technology or source code subject to the EAR to a foreign
national. Such release is deemed to be an export to the home country or
countries of the foreign national. This deemed export rule does not apply to
persons lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States and
does not apply to persons who are protected individuals under the Immigration
and Naturalization Act (8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3)). Note that the release of any
item to any party with knowledge a violation is about to occur is prohibited
by §736.2(b)(10) of the EAR. [0]
EDIT: By the way, the reason Apple won't/can't sell iPads to foreigners in the US but can sell them the same product abroad likely comes down to paperwork. I am not Apple's lawyer, but I imagine Apple exports iPads under a provision of the export-control regulations that allows export of (a great many) controlled products without needing to obtain a license so long as the use of the regulatory licensing exception is properly noted on the export documentation. But Apple's retail stores presumably are not equipped to fill out and submit those documents, so they simply won't/can't sell to foreigners.
0. http://www.bis.doc.gov/policiesandregulations/ear/734.pdf [PDF]
They should have just asked for proof of permanent residence or citizenship and informed the customer that this is US export law.
I don't need a birth certificate or passport to buy an ipad and neither should any other American citizen.
It seems a bit above and beyond to teach all of your sales personnel to distinguish Farsi from every other Middle-Eastern sounding language out there. Call me ignorant but I couldn't distinguish Farsi from Arabic even if it was written out in front of me...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farsi
http://distributioninsider.electronicproducts.com/articles/e...
"Similarly, sharing documents containing technical data with non-U.S. persons, either overseas or in the states, without export authorization would be an ITAR violation. “There are very few people who understand that an illegal export can be as simple as discussing design and technical information over lunch, if the person you are dining with is a non-U.S. person,”
They are two different laws pertaining to two different "export" situations (both with serious penalties for breaking).
Senior representatives from the european and US partnering aerospace companies sit in a big boardroom with their respective legal team and discuss what they can and cannot discuss.
Actually they generally get no further than discussing if they can discuss what they can or can't discuss.
Meanwhile the American and British engineers go for a quiet coffee on their own (preferably off site) and sort out any technical questions between them without anything being written down.
The French engineers from the european company have to sit in the corner and sulk.
German/Dutch engineers sit there looking extremely confused as to why all this is necessary.
[edit] IMHO this has nothing to do with racial profiling, its unpleasant, but what aspect of the relationship between the US and Iran isn't?
I've never been asked to produce proof of US citizenship or immigration status when I bought an iPad, let alone refused service. Do you honestly think that being a white male who speaks fluent English had nothing to do with that?