Silicon Valley is an aristocratic culture
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[pedantry: incidentally, The Managerial Revolution (1941) was a strong influence on 1984 (1949)]
Before you get too annoyed, remember that these 2 (Greer & Farrell) are right of the SV centre. Their analyses would be about as accurate as left-of-SV-centre critiques like Barbrook’s.
I have read about 14% of the canon, and almost all of them honour the (certified sprezzatura-free) elbow grease. PG popularized “schlep” amongst the Sand Hill goyim, after all?
Here’s a post from someone in the centre that was reposted in the last 12hrs, i briefly went over it, and indeed there is a whole lot of coverage on the nuance of “schlep”. Feel free to apply the same analysis. :)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41441422
https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2013/07/10/you-are-not-an-artisan...
[EDIT: i agree somehow (with your hunch? As well as a pinch of old-fashioned hubris) that PG’s unhealthy obsession with Firenze and Wodehouse seems to cluster around sprezzatura]
I'm surprisingly still at ~40% of canon, although aging out rapidly [in my day, The Soul of a New Machine (1981) would've been part]; however Titan had exactly the opposite effect from inspiring emulation: my takeaway from that one was that JDR (compare Fred "FedEx" Smith?) made one very poor bet ("oil will not be discovered anywhere outside Pennsylvania") that paid out handsomely[1], nevertheless you won't find me going down to the track to go all in on trifectas.
Schlep vs sexy (gedile?) certainly models the remaining humans in agriculture: when it took many families[2] to work a farm the least human was above almost all animals[3], but now a farmer's main job is (farming) to connect and disconnect the tractor from various implements, and to intervene during all the myriad ways something can go wrong in the field, and (ranching) to wrangle the cattle in those (two-sigma) situations where their knowledge of how pasture and milking work doesn't suffice for whatever mess[4] they've gotten themselves into.
Peeking into the back of a chain gas station/convenience store furthers this impression: they've got every available wall plastered with (a) instructions for how to deal with all the machines/inventory according to the normal schedule, and (b) what to do in the most frequent cases that something isn't working normally.
Finally, all the special note-taking apps and even hardware devices which HN loves are IMNSHO yearning for the sexy: we'd had little enough experience with personal computers that we had thought they'd be bicycles for the mind, but people growing up now must think of a laptop the way we thought of work uniforms, and hence must project their inchoate desires onto a different device?
EDIT: how large is the dot product between the Appleby/Hacker dynamic and the Jeeves/Wooster dynamic?
EDIT2: looks like I dot-product higher with the Dynamicland bookshelf ( https://dynamicland.org infra) —despite their maker tribal allegiance— than with Collison's, so maybe I shouldn't prematurely count myself as aging out?
EDIT3: note that Brand, How Buildings Learn (1994) says much the same thing regarding samsara for traditional architecture that http://cva.stanford.edu/classes/cs99s/papers/myer-sutherland... says for computer architecture.
[0] I would maybe not have squicked so quickly on "Comrade Yarvin Thoughts" if he hadn't embraced the small time grifter vibe so thoroughly. Really, pinning your substack subscription? Why not go all the way to "like and subscribe", or "ask me how"?
[1] for some reason, I do admire Frederick II, despite the fact that before winding up at Sanssouci (proof of fortune?) he once had to keep his dog quiet while hiding under a bridge as a russian[5] patrol went over it; probably because I judge that bridge incident as having been, not up from or at, but 3 or 4 sigma down from objectively reckoned mean outcomes?
https://www.mediastorehouse.com.au/p/690/frederick-great-pru...
[2] in those days it was to the farm-owner's advantage to encourage the help to get knocked up young: as long as they were single they'd be living in the farmhouse and he needed to pay them in cash; once they paired off they'd be renting an outbuilding from him and he could cancel that out against working for produce. (the destitute were stuffed into an attic and also sustained via un- or less-marketable produce)
[3] "beasts aren't christians" was once a local saying; I wonder if some of the yearning for the-good-old-days comes from people who would've been around the middle of the living beings on the farm heap, but in our industrialised age find themselves on the bottom of the homo sapiens in the suburbs heap?
[4] mountain farmers work the ski resorts in winter; I often wonder how much difference they see between wrangling the occasional cow and wrangling the occasional tourist (who also generally knows how lifts work, but still runs into specific problems from time to time)?
[5] this specific incident was very lucky; in general russia's exit on Elizaveta Petrovna's death was also luck.
(is it ethical for Morlocks to build platforms attracting Eloi?)
(as I understand it, their notion of "Gelassenheit" runs close to an ideal of avoiding the melacha of borer 7/7)
River of child-shamans vs hemitheutic (Agnes Dei) koinonia (in the context of Ruth) vs goodfaith sprezzatura vs interactive proof (with a canonical role for the sheep in the antimatroidal frame [0-1])
(Possible case study of a trio of Morlocks’ deplatforming proposal attracting Eloi?)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41470263
PG has already gone all in on repl.it, 10x the sprezz is required for the equivalent NPO (more related dynamicland rants to arrive)
Prowess. 2 tangential thoughts that you might be able to bring back into the fold.
A: that snowclone from Thucydides sounded familiar, but what I really recall was Brasidas’ un-spartan virtues. I cant find my notes, maybe you can XD. Did he out-Athenate the Athenians? Afairc those unspartan virtues didnt travel well in Sparta even after his death-by-victory.
B: Rao’s hackstability, transmuting sprezzatura into samsara, if not erloesung. Morlocks -> Hacker, Eloi -> the Machine (think temple of Moloch in Metropolis; Mittler ~ James Scott’s metis?
What about the trifecta in Russell’s taxonomy? I’d guess PG et al (Type IIIs) bet on it, but having not read Rao’s Gervais Principle, they had to empirically derive the managerial revolutionistas inserting themselves between the Type Is (where matter = customers as well as cash/the lower levels of the infra) and the Type II “system designers” aka “founders”. The new insight (relative to GP) seems to consist of previously repressed kinship bonds between the founder and the infra. (At this junction I tend to revisit my thoughts about p2p child rearing in the kibbutz)
Now.. back to why prowess is deprioritized in uh silo’d hacker “spaces”.. i’m guessing its hard to converge on a shared metric of prowess across hacker subdomains. Other signals, e.g. lieblingshunde can be more reliable. Post coarsegraining we identify Stanley, but in his day the Londoners, what did they think? Why did his brother support Warbeck??? Further riffing on microlocal banks managing the exchange rate (of talent) based on perhacker PPP (“proven prowess parity”) to be called for…
[1,5]Hmm de wiki for Biche says it was an austrian patrol. She was real family! Proof of fortune. The proof-by-lieblingshund would be legal tender on Sand Hill Rd. Not so much proof-by-sansoucci.
[petit nicolas] You do make me miss the locally-sourced, artisanal, post-talk snacks
[EDIT2-3: looking at the DL bookshelf, the accompanying soundtrack (if i riff from superficially collating memories of certain other bookshelves) would be Sprawl II/Tracy Kidder (now with a stake in Jack Dorsey’s Block.io/Tidal)
“Simulation n its discontents” should be paid close attention, with Freud/Oedipus in the background?
[EDIT] easier for me to sympathize with Hacker > book Jeeves > tv Jeeves. The dot product.. might not be real..
Have definitely also run into the “seasonal farmboy-wranglers” in the Appalachian slopes, but uh i think since the crowd was demographically narrower/less touristy/the local culture more laidback not much wrangling took place.. or rather there was a lot more fiddling with the machines rather than people. (Active skiving)
https://books.google.de/books?id=6Ec6AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA190&lpg=P... (illustration on following page)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandur_(Soldat)
(and also here "bei einer Rekognozierung zu weit vorgewagt" puts the blame squarely on Condé's hay-giver; time for me to adjust my former weights...)
Simulation and Its Discontents has the most Post-Its, for sure, so I'd hintergrund A Pattern Language on the same metric, instead of its namesake.
Brasidas: Thuc 4.84 "And presenting himself before the multitude (for he was not uneloquent, though a Lacedaemonian), he spake to this effect:..."? http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... or https://archive.org/details/a609583001thucuoft/page/301/mode...
more TK
(oh, wait: metis/techne seems awfully close to a relabelling of techne/episteme to me; does Scott have any equivalent to phronesis or is Dr. Ian Malcolm's tagline the least squared-error current equivalent?)
You never count your money
When you're sitting at the table
There'll be time enough for counting
When the dealings done
Having been severely handicapped by never having seen either of The Offices, I finally schlepped through Gervais Principle[0]. Here are my maps to rather more canonical fiction:Animal Farm: {sociopaths:pigs+Benjamin, clueless:dogs+Boxer[1], losers:"the animals"}
1984: {sociopaths:inner party, clueless:outer party[2], losers:proles}
(and of course in this model the Great American Fiction would be "in this country, we're all clueless")
I don't know if the HN thread ever touched on it, but the major drawback of "Founder Mode"[3] seems to be that it relies upon internal development of sociopaths, for what external (or board-affiliated?) sociopath is going to want to be involved with an org in which their fief is constantly being meddled with by their liege[4,5]?
[0] use of partial orders would make GP crisper, but probably less explainable to its target audience? note the thermodynamic argument that Rao makes: a sociopath isn't concerned so much with either the full observability or control matrices of the clueless+loser system as they are with simple draw/stand pat decisions.
You've got to know when to hold them
Know when to fold them
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
[1] what about the sheep? they certainly buy wholeheartedly into the pigs' Reality Distortion Field, but other than as cheerleaders, they don't seem to be much use for maintaining the system: more a greek chorus?[2] in particular, Smith is so clueless that he's (or ought to be to any reader over the age of 14) an antihero. There's even a reading where the interview with O'Brien could be taken as a test of sociopath potential, in which Smith (confirming his adolescent A-level results) signals capital-c Clueless.
[3] anyone ever say to what extent Glorious Leader Jobs' 100-person retreats created a Nomenklatura at AAPL?
[4] this reading makes the charitable assumption that founders are sociopath; if they're clueless then the mentioned drawback would instead be an asset: promoting "founder mode" would be how a guru could keep other sociopaths from cutting in on their piece of the action.
[5] I've heard that the brits created de novo a fair amount of South Asian aristocracy, because they assumed that various nabobs they bargained with had had hereditary posts, and the latter, whose lands were compensation for service, not even for life, but only at the pleasure of the raja, weren't about to educate them.
Thanks to Rao i’m now skeptical of dichotomies as well as direct sums of them. Nevertheless I dont think the social path looks (except superficially) like competition, what you want (individual , or small groups of) scientists to do , is to model other neighboring entities well enough to avoid ret(h)reading the same grooves. Max/min the exploration/resource-usage. “Waste is inevitable. Rivalry (conflict?) is optional”
[ To snowclone Thiel, play chess within, play poker without— but i have not concluded where the demarcation is]
Here I’m glad you considered angles that I did not. Lets play! (Mainly Orwell, the hypernormie reading of Founder Mode)
[2] Collison? Or are confusing irish gingers? There is some subtextual/subconscious overlap with the concept of antiheroism in catholicism —Graham Greene, in particular, maybe Eco,Alasdair MacIntyre (one of your intended audience?), tangentially,..
funny, I just learned about Greene's The Power and the Glory courtesy of Minister (as he was then) Hacker; I'll be reminded of HGG next time I'm passing through Vevey.
Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sf0htzbMKk
EDIT: [the basic problem with teleology being https://xkcd.com/927/ ]
You said O’Brien… (Confusing Conan with Collison?)
(the circumstances under which Smith meets Julia seem so contrived that I'm pretty sure she and O'Brien were —in the author's headcanon— part of the same organisation. If Orwell had had any inkling of the Information Research Department the end of his life must've been pretty strange indeed)
And you had participated in grade-charade gametalk track, seemed opportune for offending our half-clueful local deities, if only in principle (Beit S) (Citations ready if/whenever you need them)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Fischer_of_Geneva (Cameo by gwern!)
I’d better ask you for that Schuetzenberger theorem now, i know about Lascoux-S, maybe you were thinking Chomsky-S, or simply S?
EDIT: basic problem with teleology is that its usually not framed as a “search” problem?
[out moving things about at or near the surface of the earth for the rest of the day...]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraiyar#History]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Æsir–Vanir_War#Theories]
[tangential note: antiparallels with outcasting of entertainers in pre-war Korea]
E.g. the various outstanding cricket players of the Raj
Meanwhile can we standardize meanings of various terms — should we use the ancient values for aristocracy,hubris,Metis,techne (my preference)
([3],[4,5]) examples of goodfaith sprezzatura might be:
The proximate cause of getting d-v*t’d (or fl****d, or not getting u-v’d even??) in an Apolline chatroom. E.g by forming complete sentences in Lx or Dx, where x>1.62 & D=Domain of “expertise”
Purported sophistry or use of PhrenoloGical instruments to dichotomize founder candidates.
Vapid curiosity: Ben Toner, a researcher in GrIneqs, seems to be a sibling of Helen… peripheral examples of failed attempts at goodfaith sprezzatura?