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PV is dirt cheap, battery materials are cheap and exist in abundance. All that's limited is the ROI for fossil industries, and they will fight tooth and nail to get the most out of their investments.

Most importantly degrowth is a loosing position in the popularity contest, that is democracy.

Selling carbon net neutral to negative ways of hedonism are the only way out.

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Does "negative hedonism" mean suffering? that's a hard sell.

I would take it as a return to community/family focus instead of selfish individualism

IMO a great example is that it means not building floating skyscrapers powered by diesel fuel so that people can shop at a mall in the middle of the ocean.

I take it to mean less pleasure, which I suppose is a form of suffering.

I don’t follow the logic of the comment you’re replying to that degrowth would be a hard sell to a democracy, but reducing comfort and pleasure wouldn’t.

Hehe, yeah clarified that. Meant more things like lifting speed limits on Autobahns and other highways for EVs during excess energy renewable energy windows. Or effectively from May until October in Europe.

They don’t mean “negative hedonism”, they mean “carbon-neutral or carbon-negative hedonism”. In other words, people are going to chose hedonism, comfort, fun, and consumption no matter what, so the only way to achieve these goals is to make hedonism carbon-neutral/negative.

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